Question for fellow DRK's who have played its new Shb iteration.

[ADVSS]

Problem is you really don't want something like that as ANY class in an MMO really. The healers would have issues not only having to heal everything as normal but then Dark Knight comes in and the healer things "Great I need to spare resources on this guy or he'll die just by doing his mechanics"

Of course this could be balanced(Ha) if the life steal is enough to offset the drain but if you do that there's kinda no challenge or threat anyway right? Just remove the HP burn.

BLM convert. Obviously the DRK gimmick wouldnt work much for a tank, not a fair tank in this game, so they gave it MP use to sacrifice instead of HP... sorta. I mean theres a half a dozen ways they couldve given that theme with offsets even for a tank, but then WAR would cry either about the dmg output, or the fact that DRK could literally solo anything, even if it took a while. So we got...this...whatever it is. One such example, would be the old blood for blood ability that drg had, mix that with bloodbath or convalesence, theres a drk cooldown right there. LifeSurge, another example of a route they could take with thematic types of abilities. They didnt go there, instead we got this....job...

You know theory crafting that wouldn't be too bad.

Swap Living Dead with Superbolide, and give us abilities like Paladin's Spirit Within.

I totally agree. Another example of how they could have done DRK

[Danelo]

It would be nice to have at least one oGCD blood spender that wasn't the full 50. Someone mentioned minus strike earlier. That would be awesome - Maybe something to use after a tank buster and especially LD/WD. That way the length of time being at low Hp could feel rewarding.

[Barachim]

Maybe the Dark Knight could be some sort of Revenge Tank. I'd actually quite like that identity. Dishing out counter attacks after absorbing Tankbusters, having increased damage with low health, and being able to perform a devastating attack during LD/WD.

Dark Knight with some sort of 'Revenge Counter' would be lovely.

[ADVSS]

Maybe the Dark Knight could be some sort of Revenge Tank. I'd actually quite like that identity. Dishing out counter attacks after absorbing Tankbusters, having increased damage with low health, and being able to perform a devastating attack during LD/WD.

Dark Knight with some sort of 'Revenge Counter' would be lovely.

Absolutely Agree, this actually isnt hard to give a tank an ability like this, but it might highlight it into the MT slot for sure, BUT as if that really makes any difference at this point, since the OT utility for DRK is Dark Missionary, and putting TBN on the mt.

@Danelo - Did you decide to get ShB or still on the fence?

[Reynhart]

Absolutely Agree, this actually isnt hard to give a tank an ability like this, but it might highlight it into the MT slot for sure, BUT as if that really makes any difference at this point, since the OT utility for DRK is Dark Missionary, and putting TBN on the mt.

This could be a debuff you put on the target so that it takes back a portion of damage it does, regardless of who it hits. In Diablo II, it's called Iron Maiden

[Jandor]

The problem is that the core concept of classic DRK is to burn its HP to enhance its damage, so the complete opposite of what you want for a tank. Maybe that's the reason it has a hard time cementing its identity.

Could have implemented something like that by using a 2nd copy of your HP bar. Anything the DRK lifesteals goes onto their regular HP as normal, but also gets duplicated on to his or her 2nd HP bar for spending later.

Can either spend that bar for sustain by pumping your stolen hit points back into your real HP bar, or spend it on DPS by converting it into extra damage abilities or boosts.

Would naturally work well with tank play I think, a side effect of trying to pump your damage numbers would be that by doing so you're also trying to keep your own HP bar up.

[ADVSS]

Could have implemented something like that by using a 2nd copy of your HP bar. Anything the DRK lifesteals goes onto their regular HP as normal, but also gets duplicated on to his or her 2nd HP bar for spending later.

Can either spend that bar for sustain by pumping your stolen hit points back into your real HP bar, or spend it on DPS by converting it into extra damage abilities or boosts.

Would naturally work well with tank play I think, a side effect of trying to pump your damage numbers would be that by doing so you're also trying to keep your own HP bar up.

I think we have a legitimate reason for the "blood" gauge to exist now. I like it.

This could be a debuff you put on the target so that it takes back a portion of damage it does, regardless of who it hits. In Diablo II, it's called Iron Maiden

Which class used this ability? I love the concept though

[Danelo]

@Danelo - Did you decide to get ShB or still on the fence?

Of course I have. Wouldn’t be fair to comment on DRK once it’s come out unless I’ve been playing it!

It would be true to say I have had a very negative view of the DRK rework but I did purchase in time for early access. Just hit 80 last night. What can I say except that I’m generally a ff14 fan as most on this forum are. The story has not disappointed.

DRK still has room for improvement although I’m not as much in the rework the rework camp anymore. I still think it doesn’t do anything exceeding well. And there is still some dps gap in between DRK<WAR<PLD (last I checked) so there is still room to add synergy between abilities/buff Mp generation/ have TBN give back some Mp, lengthen timer (in addition to what it currently does)/ buff quietus/ lower recast for BW/ a lesser than 50 blood cost oGCD spender, just to name a few things that have been mentioned. Gameplay has been smoothed out though.

[Reynhart]

Which class used this ability? I love the concept though

Necromancer. It came with several curses, and this one was the deadliest one since your character pretty much always did damage numbers far superior than your HP

[TheForce]

Maybe the Dark Knight could be some sort of Revenge Tank. I'd actually quite like that identity. Dishing out counter attacks after absorbing Tankbusters, having increased damage with low health, and being able to perform a devastating attack during LD/WD.

Dark Knight with some sort of 'Revenge Counter' would be lovely.

That would be very cool. And it fits with the Dark Knight aesthetic very well. Why can't SE think of these things...