SCH is trash in its current state

[MrSmiley]

They gutted healers dps skills but didn't bother to give them something to do during downtime. So long as healing is so easy and predictable, we will be expected to "dps" simply because there is nothing better to do. Unless they made healing itself harder, or gave us something else to do to help the party.

[AristocraticCorgi]

Thank you for contributing to the thread. As a follow-up, I have been playing WHM and the amount of holy spam I can do while running in a dungeon (same gear as my SCH btw) is absurd. WHM has an almost infinite supply of mana to use healing ogcds or just spam holy with gusto and without any concerns.

By the way, Afflatus Solace plus lilies makes sure that I don't even need to use my ogcds while running a dungeon. I ran The Ghymlit Dark using almost no ogcds, save for emergencies. Lilies and Afflatus was more than enough to keep the entire party going, including the tank and tank busters.

Why is WHM literally OP/broken while SCH got trashed so badly?

Do the devs even play their own healers? I have played them all and it's very noticeable how SCH got the short end of the stick with this expansion. I guess it's time to go WHM during ShB.

[ElainaMason]

It will be even worse for SCH in Savage Progress with rezzing and stuff.
SCH needs to get annother Skill for MP management. WHM has 3 Skills, 2 for getting MP back and 1 for not using MP for some seconds.
They SHOULD have thought about that when they removed all Group-MP-Support and capped MP to 10000.

Anyone tried AST? MP management okay for ASTs?

[AureliaF]

Yeah just to add to the chorus of angry SCHs, I don't know what they were thinking, if at all, with these changes. Been getting a lot of Sirensong Sea on roulette with the new jobs leveling, and it's SUCH a snoozefest now. My aetherflow just sits there unused about 50-60% of the time. Maybe the expansion dungeons/trials are different, but level 1-70 basic dungeons, trials, etc. just don't need that much healing. With Bane and ED, there was such a nice cycling rhythm of using our stacks offensively or supportively depending on what was going on. I miss that. :C

And as I mentioned in another thread, I truly hate how we can't active Whispering Dawn or Fey Illumination independently of whatever spell we're currently casting anymore. Ugh, it just feels so slow and awkward to play SCH now.

[Freerider]

I don't think scholar is trash by any means tbh and I don't think it is unplayable either. Follow up on that we need something akin to thin air cause our spells are way too expensive. Either they need to bring the cost of ours down or balance around that and make whm more expensive. Art of war is decent just over priced. Ours is more expensive than whm and we don't even get a stun.

[Lynesse]

I love the new SCH. I was never a hardcore SCH main, but I did like the weaving.

In dungeons right now (at level 70), SCH has been: Bio II + Chain Stratagem, Ruin II + Aetherflow, Broil spam. That in itself doesn't seem fun on paper, but there's a bigger focus now on using Ruin II to weave pet abilities and oGCD heals. I love this!

It has a very nice rhythm. The goal is to ride the GCD as hard as possible, and doing that while trying to line up the perfect heal takes a bit of planning, so I feel occupied.

Lucid is on a 60 second CD. It's always available, and I DPS just fine with it.

[Freerider]

Honestly I haven't gotten a true test of my dps skills minus fates. The tank I had in my 71 dungeon pulled wall to wall. You said it has rhythm what are you doing with art of war then?

[Lynesse]

Honestly I haven't gotten a true test of my dps skills minus fates. The tank I had in my 71 dungeon pulled wall to wall. You said it has rhythm what are you doing with art of war then?

You can do a lot of cool things with SCH right now.

Bio II + Swiftcast, Broil + Chain Stratagem + Aetherflow. This doesn't clip the GCD, and it skips using Ruin II to weave.

For Art of War, I just DoT the enemies as we run, then spam it (even as we run). Art of War targets where you last were, not where you currently are, and lining it up while running to the next pack has been fun for me.

I have a <tt> macro. So, I hit that to target the tank while spamming Art of War, using Lucid when my MP gets low enough (around half), and Lustrate/Excog/Aetherpact the tank as needed.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Shouldn't we all pump the breaks on calling a class good or trash until after hitting max level? Of course SCH is gonna feel the most incomplete after the last patch since so many skills were taken out, but we haven't had a chance to fool around with the lv80 toolkit yet. Not to mention that a majority of players are higher than the average item level for the lv71 dungeon, making it seem even easier than normal. You may get a better grasp of the difficulty for healing in SHB once you reach the lv75 dungeon.

[AristocraticCorgi]

Shouldn't we all pump the breaks on calling a class good or trash until after hitting max level? Of course SCH is gonna feel the most incomplete after the last patch since so many skills were taken out, but we haven't had a chance to fool around with the lv80 toolkit yet. Not to mention that a majority of players are higher than the average item level for the lv71 dungeon, making it seem even easier than normal. You may get a better grasp of the difficulty for healing in SHB once you reach the lv75 dungeon.

You're wrong. The weak dps kit combined with what has been said here is the problem.

Look at WHM at 70, not only feels complete, it's a monster.

SCH dps rotation will change very little once you reach 80, and that's the problem; the healing aspect of the job is fine, I guess you can make that argument, it's the other glaring issues what make it really bad.