SCH is trash in its current state

[Silver-Strider]

Everything about SCH gameplay that needs to be said has been.
It's BORING.

All healer gameplay is now boring. But what really irks me about all these changes?
Your offensive gameplay is now: Apply dot. Spam filler.
Dia: 120 potency on cast, 60p over 30s.
Biolysis: 60p over 30s.
Combust III: 45p over 30s.

Glare: 300p
Broil III: 280p
Malefic IV: 240p

Why is WHM so much better than the other two?

Holy: Cast time, 140p, 4s stun
Art of War: Instant, 150p.
Gravity: Cast time, 130p.

Is it assumed Astros have a Light Party where ever they go? Because a 6% card buff on self certainly doesn't make up those potency discrepancies.
And if SCH is going to be lower than WHM; is the assumption that if you want offense soloing the SCH should just go SMN?

All the 'rotations' are BS, they are all boring.
But if you're going to be subjected to it, might as well use the strongest.

Considering WHM has 0 group utility, it's the BLM/SAM of Healer jobs and has the highest DPS potency of Healers to make up for its lack of utility; It's damage is its utility in other words. The inverse to this is that AST had the most utility and thus the weakest DPS of the Healers. SCH is the middle child in the equation, having more Utility than WHM but less than AST but has more damage than AST and less than WHM.

[Zweiss]

SB flashbacks.

If it's going to go the same way it's going to get buffed + be given a move that was removed again, and be far and away the best healer again for a while.

It’s going to happen, it got the short end of the stick in both HW and SB and then got rebuffed back into the topmost-tier healer for both those expacs a few months after launch. It’s going to happen again once enough people start complaining about it like WAR mains do.

[Risvertasashi]

and a bit of a buff to cost of spells.

Scholar already got this with this expansion. Physick is the same as Cure, Adlo is the same as Cure 2, and Succor is the same as Medica. They used to be far more expensive compared to their white mage counterparts.

Art of War is slightly more expensive than Holy, but it also does slightly more damage.

SB flashbacks.

If it's going to go the same way it's going to get buffed + be given a move that was removed again, and be far and away the best healer again for a while.

Yeah I'm worried about that too. Everyone's focused on "But no ED! No Bane!" but you look at SCH's kit and there's still plenty of very strong stuff there.

And then on the previous page someone is even suggesting giving SCH another raid DPS buff. Some people really do just want the job to be brokenly powerful.

[ElainaMason]

It will be even worse for SCH in Savage Progress with rezzing and stuff.
SCH needs to get annother Skill for MP management. WHM has 3 Skills, 2 for getting MP back and 1 for not using MP for some seconds.
They SHOULD have thought about that when they removed all Group-MP-Support and capped MP to 10000.

Anyone tried AST? MP management okay for ASTs?

[Sebazy]

So apparently having faith in casual players to pick up on a trick or two and thinking sch isnt as bad as people are making it out to be means I'm a white knight with an agenda. Cool. Glad to know that.

It took me a few minutes to find over 350 pages of discussion showing how naive your views on this are.

There will always be a very sizeable portion of the healer base that is not interested in DPSing irrespective of the right or wrong of it. This quirk puts them at a very big disadvantage on the first pull of a dungeon and that's all there really is to it.

It will never affect me personally so you can drop your sarcastic little act already. It won't affect you either since you're evidently a better player than to have this problem. But to say that it is not an issue for a non DPSing healer is just a flat out lie on your part. This isn't about making SCH broken again, it's a QOL change to make it better to play for the portion of the community that already struggles the most with it as is.

[YanderePrincess]

* Indomitability used to be my "Panic button" - Now I have two restriction on it! A cooldown AND an aetherflow cost

Um, this was always the case. All that changed with Indom is it lost 100 potency.

As for the down arrow, that means the person is below their max hp. Did you actually bother reading the patch notes at all? Also, why are you adloing each person instead of using Succor? Do you actually SCH?

[xXAzurePrimeXx]

Please leave it mostly as is. Just give it ED.

Pretty much this. Scholar is perfect right now. Just gives us back Energy Drain. That's literally my only gripe. Otherwise, people need to chill.

[Jerichai]

Pretty much this. Scholar is perfect right now. Just gives us back Energy Drain. That's literally my only gripe. Otherwise, people need to chill.

Please...explain exactly how this iteration of SCH is "perfect"

[Hybridcode]

Anyone else notice that Sacred soil isn't mitigating what the tool says it should? The tool says it should mitigate 90% for 15 seconds. I just tested it, getting hit by 5 attacks with and 5 without sacred soil. Based on my observations it is mitigating about 4.5%.

[Yulja]

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That is a really interesting insight, thank you. I was worried that it would be otherwise because the changes for SCH seem to be over the board and just horrible.

I am posting in a lot of thread right now and I have to agree with most of you. Even if some people say SCH might be good or even "perfect", more people complain and feel bad. There is always a way to make SCH feel good for both player kinds.
SCH was in FFXIV always a hybrid-pet healer and now SCH is nothing. Maybe shield healer.

Today my brother(SCH main and we play since SB) wanted to test SCH in DGs, raids etc. After one Alliance Raid and DG he wanted to stop it, it felt horrible and clunky. After that he just tested AST and WHM and SCH just got the worst out of the 3.
SCH feels unfinished and clunky all the time, even the fairy disappeared and he didn't even notice it. But what he said was that he didn't even need her at all. Using the pet skills on your hotbar feels not like having a pet anymore. Not seeing the fairy on the party frame is unnecessary and annoying. The pet feeling is comepletly gone. The half naked hotbar looks terrible and not being able to cast Embrace is clunky and annoying.

AoW. This skill is a meme for him, it feels bad, is boring and not engaging. The visual is just ew.

Not having Miasma and Energy Drain is just horrible. He loves those skills(me as a SMN can just say yes, these skills are a core identity point for SCH) and misses them. Not having Bane feels clunky, Shadowflare is missed and the worse is not being able to use Aetherflow out of combat. How could they even do that? Do they want SCHs to quit?

When I read that people leave the DG in the middle because they can't stand it anymore, that is just not a state a job should be in. I played WoW BFA and the beginning felt like a beta. This SCH is just the same. It's even a closed Alpha. SCH looks and feels unfinished. They just HAVE TO reverse the prunes and changes A LOT.

And @Avih again, even though you say we Westerners need to be louder and make more threads and JPN side has it more difficult, I think the JPN side still needs to protest and complain as well. Only if both sides are complaining and unsatisfied we are able to get attention and succeed.

No SCH wants to be "buffed to the top" btw, people should stop saying it. SCHs want to be SCHs again and not this middle-in-development-job.