SCH is trash in its current state

[Sebazy]

No I have no issue with the in combat aetherflow. It's no different then dotting a mob while the tanks pulling to make sure your Excog gives you fae guage. You where already tagging yourself in combat asap for one resource so doing it for another is far from an issue.

You’re giving the casual healer way more credit than they deserve. It’s pretty par for the course for these sorts to avoid dotting on the pull. You and I know this, but going by my FC and team last night, there’s a lot that don’t and it’s causing Bardams style first pull wipes that an AST or WHM can easily avert.

[Connor]

Well, if all these complaints continue we’re almost guaranteed to get buffed back to god-tier. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add both Energy Drain and Energy Siphon to Scholar. Miasma II will make a return, healing potencies across the board will be increased, Fairy will likely see any potency reductions returned to normal. oGCD strength will be returned to normal.

In terms of MP regen I think they’re trying to push Scholar to meld piety. I melded a ridiculous amount last patch (don’t ask lol) and I’ve yet to have serious MP issues. Even spamming Art of War with trusts in the lv71 dungeon, I’ve yet to find myself entirely out of MP with no Lucid.

Honestly, I’ve done some runs of the level 71 dungeon and I really don’t see the problem. Even with the tank pulling mobs balls to the wall I didn’t feel like I was inadequately equipped to deal with it. There was less time to spam Art of War and I had to think carefully about what heals I used instead of just throwing up an Excogitation as soon as it’s off-cooldown.

I also feel like you have to be more tactical with how you use your healing spells and aetherflow. You can’t rely entirely on oGCCs anyone, which I don’t see an issue with really. I mean, Scholar was the only job with an oGCD kit that’s stronger than its base kit with no real requirements to use them besides aetherflow.

Spamming Broil III is boring as hell, I’m not so unreasonable as to disagree with that lol. But I hope the healing requirements continue to get gradually higher to the point that we won’t just be spamming it the whole fight

[TonberiScholar]

I also feel like you have to be more tactical with how you use your healing spells and aetherflow. You can’t rely entirely on oGCCs anyone, which I don’t see an issue with really. I mean, Scholar was the only job with an oGCD kit that’s stronger than its base kit with no real requirements to use them besides aetherflow.

Spamming Broil III is boring as hell, I’m not so unreasonable as to disagree with that lol. But I hope the healing requirements continue to get gradually higher to the point that we won’t just be spamming it the whole fight

"Just" oGCDs, no.

But you can definitely get by with just oGCDs, oGCD-buffed things (mainly using Recitation with Adlo/Succor) and Fey Union, for at least dungeon content. I've only done up to the third ShB instance so far, but I've also ran 50/60/70 dungeons (one in each level bracket), several leveling roulettes and even a comical/frightening amount of Guildhests (friend wanted the Challenge Log).

I'm not all that great a player, either.

We're still not 'having' to use Physick (which seems to be what the 'heal more' people want).

And all this is before Seraph/Fey Blessing, even.

They didn't do anything to make us replace damaging GCDs with healing GCDs. They just snipped out almost all of our DPS options, all of our DPS decision-making, and then gave us Recitation. That's not going to fix any of the actual problems with Healer balance at the high end, and while it makes the low end more forgiving, it also makes it incredibly tedious.

If you use your cooldowns, you'll probably be okay. But that doesn't make it interesting, varied or fun, and they've stripped out or changed every consistent bit of identity it's had since ARR.

Scholar's DPS kit is functionally the same at 80 as it is at 20, and its healing kit basically just transitions from "Eos does all the work" at about pre-30 to "Excog, Lustrate, Eos and Fey Union do the majority of the work and Recitation/ET do the rest".

We could easily lose Repose from the Role actions, replace it with an old Energy Drain clone (iunno, "Aspir"?) and every Healer would be vastly improved.

Return Shadow Flare and make it use an Aetherflow stack, then call it a day.

We're probably not likely to get much more than that.

[zeopower6]

As a SCH main, I disagree that it's trash. It needs an AF dump that isn't a heal though at least but it's by no means trash. Been playing it for like at least 20 hours since launch and it's pretty good tbh.

[Brandedblade]

You’re giving the casual healer way more credit than they deserve. It’s pretty par for the course for these sorts to avoid dotting on the pull. You and I know this, but going by my FC and team last night, there’s a lot that don’t and it’s causing Bardams style first pull wipes that an AST or WHM can easily avert.

I'm sorry bad players keep ruining your experience and the game for you Sebazy. I think once people get used to the new controls you'll see the issue be reduced.

[Sebazy]

I’m sorry you can’t take your white knight goggles off for even a moment to hold a sensible discussion.

[Brandedblade]

I’m sorry you can’t take your white knight goggles off for even a moment to hold a sensible discussion.

I mean, if actually enjoying the game with the current updates make me a white knight then hopefully my armor is a white as freshly fallen snow.

But by all means. I can do this all day. SCH plays fine now, and if anything I'm hoping it doesn't get massively buffed like in shb to where it was as stupidly broken.

[Sebazy]

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Doesn’t change the fact that you are completely blinded by your agenda.

A casual SCH is in a big disadvantage at the start of a dungeon compared to an AST or WHM who can both blow a ton of oGCDs right off the bat with little care or thought. They do not have to worry about putting themselves in combat to ensure they have access to oGCDs for the stwrt of a pull. Heck there are healers that struggle to keep up with a sprinting tank irrespective of any other issues that might crop up. This quirk specific to SCH is only going to compound things further for these people.

I openly invite you to go have a look through the old healer DPS threads to see a wider view on this. There are a lot of players even here that are of the mind that doing anything mid pull is a massive no no and that thread is a good testament to those views.

Lastly, get off your high horse. Thanks. I’m not sat here whinging and crying that the game is dead and buried. I’m trying to put across a valid balance issue here. Even when it was undeniably OP. SCH was still arguable underplayed outside of Savage. Issues like this are only going to cause that trend to continue.

[Silver-Strider]

As a SCH main, I disagree that it's trash. It needs an AF dump that isn't a heal though at least but it's by no means trash. Been playing it for like at least 20 hours since launch and it's pretty good tbh.

Pretty much my impression as well.

[Rivxkobe]

SB flashbacks.

If it's going to go the same way it's going to get buffed + be given a move that was removed again, and be far and away the best healer again for a while.