SCH is trash in its current state

[Lynesse]

Snip.

SCH is mostly complete at 70-72. We don't have Seraph, Fey Blessing, Consolation and Recitation, but that's it. These really won't change the playstyle of the class. They give us more things to weave, is all, which I'm excited for. c:

Lucid at 60% seems to be the sweet spot. I'm trying to align it with when I use Bio a second or third time. The trick to managing our MP is managing Lucid's recast, really.

[Freerider]

If you are so against it play a different class then.

[Enla]

My biggest issue with it are the little things that all add up.

-Aetherflow can't be cast when not in combat, which messes with you if it comes off cooldown between pulls.
-MP management is only okay if you're pure healing, but if you try to weave DPS in any meaningful way you start bleeding the stuff at an almost stupid level.
-Our faeries disappear between dungeon instances, meaning you need to resummon them each time you get into a new dungeon. Inconsequential but just a very 'what' sort of design choice that has me scratching my head.
-The faerie AI also somehow got worse? Like there's a palpable delay to casting that wasn't there a few days ago. I don't even mind the lack of targeted Embrace ability but if they're going to gut the faerie so much it needed better AI to compensate.
-That stupid PULSING GLOWING AETHERFLOW GRAPHIC. I literally threw my aether gauge off to the side of the screen so I wouldn't have to look at it seriously due to the headache it was giving me... The sad thing is that SCH is such a snooze fest now that this lack of direct line of sight to my gauge didn't hinder things in the slightest.

All in all we need Energy Drain back, even without it being a DPs skill and only retaining it's ability to regain MP. We also need the Pet AI to be fixed, Aetherflow castable between fights, and a lot of other tiny things that just get real annoying REAL quickly.

[Semirhage]

You're wrong. The weak dps kit combined with what has been said here is the problem.

Look at WHM at 70, not only feels complete, it's a monster.

SCH dps rotation will change very little once you reach 80, and that's the problem; the healing aspect of the job is fine, I guess you can make that argument, it's the other glaring issues what make it really bad.

God I hate to be one of those "you need to wait until savage" people, but...
lol @ "WHM is overpowered" when it's better than Scholar in dungeons, while Scholar has been the most overpowered job in the game for literal years, and its disgustingly busted oGCD healing kit that has made it a raid staple forever has been buffed even further.

I'm annoyed at SCH's damage lobotomy too, but man does it get hard to feel sorry for Scholar mains when we go through this "UGH my main is just as BORING as those peasant White Mages now, we don't deserve to be boring like they do, we need immediate action!" song and dance because one aspect of Scholar's kit is less fun for five minutes.

Welcome to the snooze zone kids. Scholar isn't "especially afflicted" just because it had further to fall off its high horse.

[Shalan]

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This kind of attitude you're throwing about is incredibly counterproductive.
Yes, SCH has been the top dog for healing for years now, but that's not fault of the SCH players, it's fully on the devs. Throwing shade SCHs or finding amusement in the situation as a sort of "revenge" comeuppance is just asinine and petty, especially given how on these forums for years healers of all stripes, including SCHs, were pushing for WHM to get some love so they weren't left out so often.

If WHM was in such dire straits and it made you upset, you should be doubly so upset now that other classes are in similar positions - not gleeful or vindictive - because it shows that the dev team hasn't learned from their mistakes and is content to let others wallow about in the same "snooze zone." If you're truly upset about where WHM was, you shouldn't want anyone to be in that zone.

[Enla]

This kind of attitude you're throwing about is incredibly counterproductive.
Yes, SCH has been the top dog for healing for years now, but that's not fault of the SCH players, it's fully on the devs. Throwing shade SCHs or finding amusement in the situation as a sort of "revenge" comeuppance is just asinine and petty, especially given how on these forums for years healers of all stripes, including SCHs, were pushing for WHM to get some love so they weren't left out so often.

If WHM was in such dire straits and it made you upset, you should be doubly so upset now that other classes are in similar positions - not gleeful or vindictive - because it shows that the dev team hasn't learned from their mistakes and is content to let others wallow about in the same "snooze zone." If you're truly upset about where WHM was, you shouldn't want anyone to be in that zone.

Not only that but if 4.0 is any indication it's not going to last. We're going to be buffed /again/ then overbuffed /AGAIN/ because SE lacks the ability to put in place meaninful healer balance. People were expecting SCH to be nerfed and most of us were fine with it. What we aren't fine with is the dev team who clearly has no healer mains amongst themselves and a deep seated allergy to actually listening to the community in regards to how balance needs to be carried out, actually attempting to balance these classes. Lo and behold, our 'balances' are a joke. It's forced difficulty and frustration that brought classes down to an unacceptable level instead of bringing the class that needed innovation up to standard. I will be SHOCKED if SCH still isn't the meta going forward because these changes just cause frustration, they don't fix really any of the problems people had with SCH barring neutering our faeries.

[YanderePrincess]

a deep seated allergy to actually listening to the community in regards to how balance needs to be carried out

This is absolutely untrue. The dev team DOES listen to the community. Just because they don't always implement something the way we specifically want it doesn't mean they're not listening. Listening to the community does NOT mean giving in to the community on every little thing.

[Enla]

This is absolutely untrue. The dev team DOES listen to the community. Just because they don't always implement something the way we specifically want it doesn't mean they're not listening. Listening to the community does NOT mean giving in to the community on every little thing.

In regards to healer balance, they don't. At no point did I say they don't listen to the community /at all/ and I'd thank you not to put words in my mouth.

[Octavian]

Want to echo a lot of the issues raised in this and other threads: I really do feel like SCH would be MUCH improved with ED returner and allowing aetherflow outside of combat. It’s so awkward when a tank pulls a big mob in a dungeon and you can’t use aetherflow yet to put excog on the tank because the mobs haven’t noticed you yet....