Thread: WHM 5.0 First Impressions

People complained about Solace not being off GCD but honestly I'm not minding it that much. Using Solace to weave another oGCD feels good. Solace+Tetra is essentially a 60 sec Bene. Solace+Benison is a pseudo Aldo (not that good a comparison I know, but I can't think of another parallel), and Rapture+PL seems like a 60sec Indom. The healing aspect of White Mage hasn't changed that much at worse and became a bit better personally speaking. Infinite Holy feels good as well.

I don't think White Mage's power level changed drastically from SB. It's old problems persist and strengths have stayed.

I’m still maiming my White Mage because they didn’t wreck it.

But they also didn’t fix it.

Frankly, it’s dull, and using Afflatus Solace feels forced. And while we’re on the subject of AS...it makes Cure/Cure II obsolete for anything other than prog or when with players who make several mistakes. Honestly, using the Afflatus skills feels more like a chore than anything.

Originally Posted by DiznypKC

I’m still maiming my White Mage because they didn’t wreck it.

But they also didn’t fix it.

Frankly, it’s dull, and using Afflatus Solace feels forced. And while we’re on the subject of AS...it makes Cure/Cure II obsolete for anything other than prog or when with players who make several mistakes. Honestly, using the Afflatus skills feels more like a chore than anything.

It's the same thing Scholars are complaining about with Aetherflow sans Energy Drain (Lilies are just discount Aetherflow). You stand around all the time with Lilies, and no reason to use them.

There is just nothing to do. I keep trying to hit Cleric Stance or Largesse... it's awful. It'll be fine to play during raid progression, which is a month away and accounts for 6-8 hours a week, tops, for most people.

Originally Posted by Trunks

It's the same thing Scholars are complaining about with Aetherflow sans Energy Drain (Lilies are just discount Aetherflow). You stand around all the time with Lilies, and no reason to use them.

TBH, current Aetherflow IS discount Aetherflow. Current lilies are actually better than Aetherflow. I come to this conclusion for two reasons. The first is WHM gets access to a lily ability every 30 seconds, and are only in a situation where they need to dump lilies if they are currently full. Even then, they only need to spend one. SCH gets three charges every 60 seconds. SCHs ogcd heals are completely dependent on Aetherflow stacks and they are in an extremely bad situation if they've used up all their flows and are in need of quick healing, and it is nearly as bad if that healing isn't required and Aetherflow is about to come off of CD with no skills to dump those charges on. SCHs do have Dissipation and Recitation, but these are other resources that WHM does not need to accomplish what it needs to do.

The second is WHM at least gets Misery. Sure, lilies might operate on the GCD, but Misery still feels rewarding even if it's more of a DPS return than gain. SCH's don't get anything. WHM still have three offensive AoEs in Assize, Holy, and Misery. SCH has Art of War. Yay :/

I haven't hit a new dungeon yet, but what I think WHM needs from the hours I've played it today to get it to 71:
#1.) Give us back our Divine Seal at level 40 and upgrade it into Temperance at 80.
#2.) Lilies need a DPS drain for them, because they spend a lot of time sitting pretty until they're needed heal wise, especially at lower levels.

My friend says that WHM Lilies are playing a LOT like SCH's aetherflows right now, same glaring problem too. And I'll fully agree, I'm noticing this myself. :/ As is, seeing three lilies all the time irks me on some level, not hugely, but it's low level cringe.

Also... I'm really missing Cleric Stance an awful lot.

Originally Posted by Atlantasia

I haven't hit a new dungeon yet, but what I think WHM needs from the hours I've played it today to get it to 71:
#1.) Give us back our Divine Seal at level 40 and upgrade it into Temperance at 80.
#2.) Lilies need a DPS drain for them, because they spend a lot of time sitting pretty until they're needed heal wise, especially at lower levels.

My friend says that WHM Lilies are playing a LOT like SCH's aetherflows right now, same glaring problem too. And I'll fully agree, I'm noticing this myself. :/ As is, seeing three lilies all the time irks me on some level, not hugely, but it's low level cringe.

Also... I'm really missing Cleric Stance an awful lot.

Hm. I've been using my Lillies mostly to substitute Cure/C2 during AoE phases or boss fights, to be able to weave a little bit of damage in on top of my healing. I think part of the problem with some people having lillies too often is that they aren't adjusting to using them as a free heal instead of going for that Cure/C2 you really don't need to waste the MP or the hardcast on. Keeping Lillies for HPS is allowing WHMs to focus on DPSing while everyone's topped off. This will be the case even more so with the additional healing Afflatus closer to cap, which is an AoE healing.

Largesse/Seal is already baked into Temperance. At levels lower than 60, I never find myself having too many moments of do-or-die healing that exactly need a 30%/20% Healing increase at any given point, so I'm not sure about giving it back. If anything, it would break low level dungeon scaling beyond what it already is at. And even when I was newer to the game, I didn't start feeling challenged as a healer till the 60s.

Originally Posted by Kuurei

Hm. I've been using my Lillies mostly to substitute Cure/C2 during AoE phases or boss fights, to be able to weave a little bit of damage in on top of my healing. I think part of the problem with some people having lillies too often is that they aren't adjusting to using them as a free heal instead of going for that Cure/C2 you really don't need to waste the MP or the hardcast on. Keeping Lillies for HPS is allowing WHMs to focus on DPSing while everyone's topped off. This will be the case even more so with the additional healing Afflatus closer to cap, which is an AoE healing.

Largesse/Seal is already baked into Temperance. At levels lower than 60, I never find myself having too many moments of do-or-die healing that exactly need a 30%/20% Healing increase at any given point, so I'm not sure about giving it back. If anything, it would break low level dungeon scaling beyond what it already is at. And even when I was newer to the game, I didn't start feeling challenged as a healer till the 60s.

And I'm looking at all levels. There are times when a Largesse/Divine Seal would be helpful. Less healing if you're healing more, that's extremely useful in a pinch or even just min maxing what you do. Not every party is going to be good or efficient, I wish. I do not like a level 40 skill that was originally WHM's and ONLY WHM's, being taken from us last expansion and then given back to us at level 80 with an even longer cd and a pitty mitigation skill compared to AST and SCH. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have our original level 40 Divine Seal with the 30% healing potency buff and a 60 second cd back. Back in the day, it was extremely useful as a low level healer in Stone Vigil when people pulled too many mobs, in Aurum Vale, in The Vault, etc. And it's extremely useful if you're level syncing raids for the challenge... ARR and HW both had Divine Seal without it being overpowered, it's not going to break things.

As for lilies, until level 74, you have nothing to shoot for with lilies, even if you get them at 52, that's 22 levels of little help. It'd be one thing if you could spam Afflatus Solace like you can a SCH's Lustrate, but it's like a worse Lustrate currently, even if it has 100 more healing potency. I stand by this, WHM is currently a discount SCH. No fairy, worse abilities, slower in giving them usage points to use them...

It's meh to me so far.

This!!! Honestly this!! It's leaving a really awful taste in my mouth that the lvl 80 ability we get to look forward to is just an ability we've HAD SINCE 2.0, but has been taken and stolen from us time and time again.