Reasoning for removal of TP, but not MP?

[Millybonk]

Just from browsing through the classes: every class which relied on TP as their main resource is now your standard "Press the button when off CD without having to think further" whereas MP classes still need to calculate their resources.

Why the glaring difference?

[MistakeNot]

Basically, unless you spammed your AOE skills there were never any risk of running out of TP, so it was in essence a pointless resource.

[Millybonk]

Basically, unless you spammed your AOE skills there were never any risk of running out of TP, so it was in essence a pointless resource.

I do hope you got what you wrote there: now every TP class can spam AoE like there's no tomorrow, while MP classes can only to a certain threshold.

[spf1200]

Tp never had to be manage in 90% of content. It was just a number that never really mattered. MP has always had to be managed and it is easy to run out of it if you don't pay attention.

[Seraphor]

TP classes never had to 'calculate' their TP, that's why.

TP was a non factor unless you were spamming AoE's, then it was a arbitrary "stop spamming AoEs" barrier.

Meanwhile MP classes had AoE rotations that didn't leave them neutered after 20s.

Why do you think 'The Spire' was such a useless AST card?

[Millybonk]

TP classes never had to 'calculate' their TP, that's why.

TP was a non factor unless you were spamming AoE's, then it was a arbitrary "stop spamming AoEs" barrier.

I do agree, but with that reasoning there's no reason to not also remove MP, as it too is a "stop spamming AoE" barrier in parts.

[Seraphor]

No, MP management has far more use beyond "stop spamming AoE"
In fact most mages have their own, sustainable AoE rotations anyway. That arbitrary barrier just doesn't exist for mages like it did for physical.

A RDM will never run out of MP unless they cast Verraise.
A BLM will never run out of MP, period, but it dictates their Ice/Fire rotation.

[Fhaerron]

Single Target there never was a TP issue to begin with.


I'm glad that as a PLD I can now spam Total Eclipse & Prominence without having to worry about my TP, this is a great asset for speed running dungeons. Where as before my AoE DPS was always holded back by TP running out.


I do not play casters so I can't really say anything on that.

[Millybonk]

No, MP management has far more use beyond "stop spamming AoE"
In fact most mages have their own, sustainable AoE rotations anyway. That arbitrary barrier just doesn't exist for mages like it did for physical.

A RDM will never run out of MP unless they cast Verraise.
A BLM will never run out of MP, period, but it dictates their Ice/Fire rotation.

Cherry-picking cases in which MP is indeed either part of the rotation or a non-factor.

What's with a WHM spamming Holy?
It's an AoE spell which does damage, but spamming is prevented due to its cost + WHM needing the MP for heals.

[Seraphor]

Healers are their own class of MP management. They can't just spam heals, they will run out of MP very quickly.
MP management is what their whole job philosophy is based around.