Objective Considerations about the new tanks in ShB! Discuss :)

[shao32]

As I said I could have phrased better but I was serious at all with that post. I completely agree Jandor and I feel only utter revulsion at the present state of DRK

It's hard to identify you tone with a written post, put a /s or something next time.

[JohnSeal]

Ok Giubba sry if I call you rude xD we misinterpreted (: honestly before was frustrating to play Drk because you could easily screw up with your mp. You greed a DA and you may not have TBN when needed, or you were stingy with DA and your mp overcap. Often running dungeons you overused you Abyssal draining or you didnt have enough mp left so you needed to slow down etc etc. Now it’s much easier I guess :P only thing leave me disappointed is salted earth on 90 sed Cd but doesn’t really matter

[jetfire117]

Can I get like two more CDs on DRK or something? I feel so naked and feel bad for my healers lol.

[Anger]

Meta is WAR/PLD (again).

DRK and GNB are more novelty at the moment.

Reasons:

* You simply cannot ignore Paladin's utility.
* Inner Release synergizes extremely well with Trick Attack windows.
* Paladin Damage is extremely high while having superior utility.
* GNB mitigation is the worst.
* GNB Burst DPS is the worst of all four tanks.
* Party wide cool down for GNB and DRK (identical) is worse than Shake It Off, Divine Veil, and Passage of Arms.
* DRK would be considered before GNB because of its burst but is still too gimmicky to overtake Warrior. It's a warrior on a budget.

The die has been cast. See you in two years.

[shao32]

Meta is WAR/PLD (again).

DRK and GNB are more novelty at the moment.

Reasons:

* You simply cannot ignore Paladin's utility.
* Inner Release synergizes extremely well with Trick Attack windows.
* Paladin Damage is extremely high while having superior utility.
* GNB mitigation is the worst.
* GNB Burst DPS is the worst of all four tanks.
* Party wide cool down for GNB and DRK (identical) is worse than Shake It Off, Divine Veil, and Passage of Arms.
* DRK would be considered before GNB because of its burst but is still too gimmicky to overtake Warrior. It's a warrior on a budget.

The die has been cast. See you in two years.

they really need to rework or remove trick attack from ninja, this whole lack of burst being a "problem" it's killing jobs, i don't want to see GNB becoming more burtsy and get another inner release bcs this stuff.

[JohnSeal]

Remove TA from NIN?! That’s absurd!! TA is the best thing in the entire game lol

Right now I can tell the best tank is the PLD for dmg and mitigation.

War is still the same and can still do great, I enjoy the new RI and Trill buff tho.

Drk is behind defences wise certainly but I love the class now definitely.

GNB miss burst dmg windows but the defensive tool kit it’s great, I love the HoL that’s just basically RI just longer duration but less pot

[shao32]

Remove TA from NIN?! That’s absurd!! TA is the best thing in the entire game lol

if everything is build around TA window then is a bad dealing not only for make NIN mandatory BCS muh DPS logs but Making don't have a super mega strong burst being a problem when it shouldn't, sustained DPS need some love too.

[Kalise]

Remove TA from NIN?! That’s absurd!! TA is the best thing in the entire game lol

TA is the single worst skill left in the game.

Since, it (Along with dumb encounter design with forced downtime) promotes such a cancerous meta that revolves around popping CD's on 60s intervals and making burst = king. Whilst simultaneously, cementing NIN as a mandatory pick for pretty much any team composition (Something they were trying to actually get rid of with the changes to BRD/DRG, but arbitrarily decided not to do the same with NIN and TA).

TA windows are why WAR in SB was better than PLD/DRK. TA windows are why WAR continues to be better than DRK/GNB. TA windows are why we have DRK being a crappy WAR knockoff with IR-lite. TA windows are why GNB can't use a SkS build (Since, it would require absurd levels of SkS to get Gnashing Fang's 30s CD down to 20s to continue to align with TA windows). TA windows are why no-one has any freedom to use skills like Plunge/Intervene/Rough Divide/Infuriate for utility purposes, because you need to pool up 2 charges for TA windows. TA windows push every job towards needing to be designed around 10s burst phases so you can't have any job variety with sustained damage dealers. Among other things.

Raw damage buffs are just not good design. They cause so many problems, because invariably, everything always ends up coming back to aligning CD's with them. This is made even worse by the fact that TA has a mere 60s CD (Compared to the 120/180s CD's of other rDPS boosts) which means its up so often that you literally always have to consider it for any CD usage...

[JohnSeal]

Remove TA from NIN?! That’s absurd!! TA is the best thing in the entire game lol

Right now I can tell the best tank is the PLD for dmg and mitigation.

War is still the same and can still do great, I enjoy the new RI and Trill buff tho.

Drk is behind defences wise certainly but I love the class now definitely.

GNB miss burst dmg windows but the defensive tool kit it’s great, I love the HoL that’s just basically RI just longer duration but less pot

[Ignimortis]

Remove TA from NIN?! That’s absurd!! TA is the best thing in the entire game lol

Right now I can tell the best tank is the PLD for dmg and mitigation.

War is still the same and can still do great, I enjoy the new RI and Trill buff tho.

Drk is behind defences wise certainly but I love the class now definitely.

GNB miss burst dmg windows but the defensive tool kit it’s great, I love the HoL that’s just basically RI just longer duration but less pot

TA is the worst thing in the game, because you have to build around it, and that means burst will always be better than sustained DPS. I don't know what SE was thinking with both DRK changes (lost the whole mechanical identity it had, with MP management and fast-paces combos) and removing every synergy in the game BUT Trick Attack. Just ditch TA too, boom, both burst and sustained are now equally valid.