Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[Alleo]

Like i said we just have to wait and see what happens between 5.1 to 6.0.

There is a lot of things we know now that may be revealed to be a lie during these moments and what we believe is not possible maybe possible in the end.

There is a saying in Guild Wars 2 from the Priory Order being "History never lies but Historians do."

And good writers still dont just tell us that every single thing we know is a lie thus I still cant see how your theory can even happen. For this to happen we suddenly have to find a way to combine everything without death and somehow withouth consequences to the source and go against our character and let them act completely different.

Also Yoshida himself has pointed out that he is a very skeptic person and wants to hear both sides and warned people to just see Hydealyn suddenly as evil just because we got the Ascians side..that we should wait to hear her too. This still sounds to me that they are not planning to do whole turnarounds.

And I am not sure what Historians being subjective and not 100% accurate in their lore has to do with your examples on what could happen? Historians have no hand in that. Even if people suddenly all knew about the past what would that really change? Maybe you have some people like Varis that believes that they should be complete and perfect again but honestly I do believe that most people would be quite fine with living the way they are if it means living at all..And again why should people like the WoL or even the scions start to try to find a way to combine the worlds again? These shards are (without Ascians) seemingly completely fine on their own.

So my question again: Why should that even happen? Why should the writers of FF14 even go that way when they showed us that these people on the shards are just like us and that they are quite happy living. Why should they change it when they have used Alphinaud and the others to say that its fine to live like that because its their life and they have the right to live. What would be the purpose? To be suprising (and subverting expectations..) just for the sake of it?

[EdwinLi]

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"History never lies but Historians do" saying is the representation that those who tell stories of the past may not always tell the Truth.

I never said everyone has to learn what happened in the Original World and Original soul. My expectation is that WoL and maybe the Scions learn more about it since the focus of the Original World and the Original Soul is related more to WoL's origins and the Scion's long term goal to defeating Zodiark and Ascians.

It is a very big theme that 5.0 setup about learning the True History of the world so we don't follow blindly anymore as the story has been exactly that since 2.0, to follow blindly with Hydaelyn's belief until we defeat Zodiark because everything is as it should be and everything Bad is caused by Ascians as we are told. What it may bring has yet to be determined until 5.1 to 6.0 MSQ.

As for why thing may change and what it may bring about through 5.1 to 6.0, as I said it is best for now to just wait and see. I have already said maybe nothing will change and we get the expect "Defeat Ascian and Zodiark ending with hydaelyn still live to watch over the worlds as the Benevolent Goddess" that we expected since 2.0 or maybe something changes that leads to a different ending. We cannot say for certain currently nor determine how will learning about WoL's Origins and the Original World may affect the storyline.

I'll end the discussion here because in the end the only thing we can do is wait and see how will SE expand on the Original World and WoL's Origins storyline they have setup in 5.0 ending. Though my best guess is that they won't touch it until 5.4 since they may want to only focus on getting the Scions back to the source in 5.1 to 5.3 unless fragments of the memories return for story reasons (best guess it is due to being more rejoined than everyone else) slowly through 5.1 to 6.0 MSQ.

[EdwinLi]

Now on to different topics.....

If Shadowbrigner is the 80% mark of the Season 1 storyline with 51 to 6.3 to be the 81% ro 100% part of the storyline. Though would leave us with only 6 more new Jobs left for the game (2 expansion already planned for Season 2 we know about so far) before it close down for a new FF MMO or to take a break from FF MMO, get updated into a newer version, just some how magically continue updating, or get a sequel.

I am curious if we may get at least 1 Job that is about awakening powers of the original soul even if it is a shadow of what it once was. Though not many jobs can fit into this but I can only guess it being a Noctis Job that use Armiger mechanics or maybe a FF14 Original job.

It would be interesting if 5.1 to 8.0 take advantage of the RPG story instances to give us a Demo lite version of the new Jobs before their release considering how cutdown the RPG Story instance version of Jobs for the characters we play as are.

[RicaRuin]

To be honest, I don't think that your - quite often brought up - ideas of a 'Noctis Job' are that likely. Not regarding the fact that Noctis as a main character has a special spot and his personal lore for his powers which can't just be projected into FF XIV, there are other reasons. Namely, most obs being avaiable from a certain level and installed expansion only, not from MSQ progress. Your job would be quite the spoiler or just not making any sense for those not that far in the MSQ. (Yes, Heavensward did require a certain MSQ progress for the new jobs, but they admitted it was a stupid thing they don't want to do again).

Leave the armiger and that in their own game with FF XIV doing its thing.

[KageTokage]

I feel like the WoL's abnormal proficiency with everything they do is their special power, essentially.

We can basically absorb several lifetimes worth of experience from our soul crystals and regularly surpass people who've spent several years specializing in their jobs in just a fraction of the time. Some of ShB job quests even imply that we're starting to invent our own techniques instead of just using pre-contained knowledge.

[Alleo]

I feel like the WoL's abnormal proficiency with everything they do is their special power, essentially.

We can basically absorb several lifetimes worth of experience from our soul crystals and regularly surpass people who've spent several years specializing in their jobs in just a fraction of the time. Some of ShB job quests even imply that we're starting to invent our own techniques instead of just using pre-contained knowledge.

We are in a way one of the best at this but other people on the source are also sometimes switching jobs including a few of the scions. While for example Ardberts group seemingly stayed the same throughout their whole journey. Of course this could be because they were a whole group and thus no need to change it up while the WoL is mostly doing things alone (until some mysterious unknown adventurers are popping up thanks to gameplay). But maybe this is also because we have more soul parts than them? Everyone on the source has at least 8 parts again after the last calamity while the one on the shards are always just one part. Yet they dont look different to us at all. So I wonder if maybe the talent to master so many different jobs in such a short amount of time (and if we take in the time bubble then its even worse..) is not only because we are special even amongst the others but because we are also more complete.

[KageTokage]

The fact that WoL seemingly possesses the soul of a high-ranking Ancient is also likely a factor in why they're so much better then the average Source-born adventurer as it seems to also come with a higher capacity for aether and stronger ability to manipulate it as well.

The things I'm curious about is whether or not everyone with the Echo has an ancient soul and what exactly makes them distinct from "normal" souls, because it's evidently not too much if Zenos was able to have his soul artificially altered to achieve the same immortality that all of the Ascians possess.

...Though that just raises more questions because even the low ranking fractured Ascians we can easily overpower possess immortality, though it requires them to have a replacement body in their immediate vicinity as opposed being able to simply slip into the void and recuperate without a body like the higher ranking ones can. Zenos might not actually end up being that difficult to put on ice permanently if his immortality is only akin to that of the low ranking Ascians...though that seems unlikely if Elidibus judged him as being too strong to be worth the effort of fighting.

[Alsbet]

Question. Where's Midgardsormr? I completely forgot about him. Isn't he still riding inside our skulls? Did he see everything that happened during our travels in the first?

[EdwinLi]

I feel like the WoL's abnormal proficiency with everything they do is their special power, essentially.

We can basically absorb several lifetimes worth of experience from our soul crystals and regularly surpass people who've spent several years specializing in their jobs in just a fraction of the time. Some of ShB job quests even imply that we're starting to invent our own techniques instead of just using pre-contained knowledge.

To be honest, I don't think that your - quite often brought up - ideas of a 'Noctis Job' are that likely. Not regarding the fact that Noctis as a main character has a special spot and his personal lore for his powers which can't just be projected into FF XIV, there are other reasons. Namely, most obs being avaiable from a certain level and installed expansion only, not from MSQ progress. Your job would be quite the spoiler or just not making any sense for those not that far in the MSQ. (Yes, Heavensward did require a certain MSQ progress for the new jobs, but they admitted it was a stupid thing they don't want to do again).

Leave the armiger and that in their own game with FF XIV doing its thing.

In a sense we are partly a Noctis Job already but we just don't utilize the potential as one Job thus only focus on the one weapon we choose to specialize in for that Job and their powers.

Lore wise, there is a possible way to add this type of job into the game being the Original Soul's powers that has full mastery of utilizing the ability of what gives WoL his or her potential of Mastering multiple Weapons and Jobs powers though as I said, it most likely going to end up a shadow of its former self.

Question. Where's Midgardsormr? I completely forgot about him. Isn't he still riding inside our skulls? Did he see everything that happened during our travels in the first?

Omega Raid was his Final moment in the FF14 storyline so he is basically Dead. it sucks that they left this VERY IMPORTANT part of the storyline for a Raid but we can't do much now since Canon wise the events of the Raid will happen no matter what.

[RicaRuin]

Midgardsorm isn't dead. He just spent a lot of aether helping us out there, so he went back to sleep, and Hraesvelgr hinted that the regenerating slumber of a dragon may take so long that Midgardsomr won't awake while we are still alive. (For the minion, he said that while it will still follow us, his consciousness isn't with it anymore.)