Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[TankHunter678]

I'm also quite puzzled by this sudden "now it'll be good to reunite the shards!" idea. It sounds entirely off to me.

The idea of all the remaining shards merge into one oversized planet containing all of them is not in line with how it all works, from what we've seen so far.

The original planet split into fourteen identical copies of itself, not physically split with pieces of it going to different shards.

Seven of those shards have now been rejoined, with no detectable effect on the overall shape of the planet.

Merging the remaining worlds into one super-world would be phenomenally disruptive to each individual world, and what would it actually achieve for the people who live on them?

Unless there is some actual existiential threat that requires the worlds to be merged or the entire system will collapse, then it seems far more in keeping with the theme of the story to leave the other shards intact and untouched, free to continue on as they are.

Not to mention that if all the worlds are merged back together means everyone becomes complete and gains access to creation magic again then we may just wind up repeating history. Creating a second Terminus and leading to the recreation of Zodiark and Hydaelyn.

Or an even worse war then what we have had thus far. If people can just endlessly create weapons of war it would result in the rising of people who desire to take over the world with their armies created from mere thoughts. Armies of autonomous magitek armors, primals, golems, all clashing against each other until the total annihilation of all just so that the final victor gets to claim ownership of the world.

[EdwinLi]

Not to mention that if all the worlds are merged back together means everyone becomes complete and gains access to creation magic again then we may just wind up repeating history. Creating a second Terminus and leading to the recreation of Zodiark and Hydaelyn.

Or an even worse war then what we have had thus far. If people can just endlessly create weapons of war it would result in the rising of people who desire to take over the world with their armies created from mere thoughts. Armies of autonomous magitek armors, primals, golems, all clashing against each other until the total annihilation of all just so that the final victor gets to claim ownership of the world.

Creation Magic was not a abused thing world wide and the lore so far only states that members of Amaurat were doing research into Creation Magic.

We currently know very little about the Original World outside of Amaurat and what kind of Civilizations existed beyond. The current knowledge being provided is very biased to Amaurat culture only and nothing beyond other Civilization's cultures. For all we know Creation Magic may have been Amaurat exclusive only to their culture but something triggered it to go world wide passively due to how the Magical energy in the world was in complete wack during the Original Calamity.

Unless there is some actual existiential threat that requires the worlds to be merged or the entire system will collapse, then it seems far more in keeping with the theme of the story to leave the other shards intact and untouched, free to continue on as they are.

I say Zeno going FULL kefka by consuming Both Zodiark and Hydaelyn to create the world greatest and most destructive world destroying battle for his Final fight with the Warrior of Light that may cause a Calamity so great that mid way through the Trial battle his Ultimate attack destroys most of the Planet and causing the world to go through a Grand Calamity force what little will both Zodiark and Hydaelyn have left to make WoL a Complete Soul by fusing all Shards into the source so he or she can defeat Zenos and prevent the planet from imploding and/or exploding from the destruction then sacrifice themselves to repair the damage done during this Finale is a justified reason.

[MrThinker]

Creation Magic was not a abused thing world wide and the lore so far only states that members of Amaurat were doing research into Creation Magic.

We currently know very little about the Original World outside of Amaurat and what kind of Civilizations existed beyond. The current knowledge being provided is very biased to Amaurat culture only and nothing beyond other Civilization's cultures. For all we know Creation Magic may have been Amaurat exclusive only to their culture but something triggered it to go world wide passively due to how the Magical energy in the world was in complete wack during the Original Calamity.



I say Zeno going FULL kefka by consuming Both Zodiark and Hydaelyn to create the world greatest and most destructive world destroying battle for his Final fight with the Warrior of Light that may cause a Calamity so great that mid way through the Trial battle his Ultimate attack destroys most of the Planet and causing the world to go through a Grand Calamity force what little will both Zodiark and Hydaelyn have left to make WoL a Complete Soul by fusing all Shards into the source so he or she can defeat Zenos and prevent the planet from imploding and/or exploding from the destruction then sacrifice themselves to repair the damage done during this Finale is a justified reason.

Remember that the Final Days started in another city before it affected all of the planet. Which in turn implies that there were more Ancients in other cities around the globe and that Amaurot was the capital of that global civillization.

[EdwinLi]

Remember that the Final Days started in another city before it affected all of the planet. Which in turn implies that there were more Ancients in other cities around the globe and that Amaurot was the capital of that global civillization.

We know it bgan somewhere but we don't know the cause of the Original Calamity for now everything is specualtion on what may have caused the Original Calamity.

Most people are only theorizing it is Creation Magic being the cause but that is more due to speculation from what is learned in Amaurat only.

[Rannie]

While I wont deny that creation magic may not have started the original calamity, it did end up compounding the situation. I am of the theory that it was most likely due to the over use of said creation magic but, that again is my own opinion.

As for Zenos, I doubt he'll absorb Hydaelyn, because before it even got to that point, we would do everything in our power to stop him. Him absorbing Zodiark may be another issue unless he some how finds a way to break him out of being trapped on the moon. To which I dont even think he knows at this point where zodiark is. Zenos would have to literally force Elidibus to give him that information or absorb Elidibus himself (if it is possible for information to be exchanged that way). Though, we dont know what exact words were said before Elidibus dueced out on Zenos' body...


You know what I've been thinking about a lot lately... that this whole trip to the first and the bad future was a huge Batman Gambit played out by Hydaelyn and it all rested on a single choice Ardbert had to make....

[MrThinker]

We know it bgan somewhere but we don't know the cause of the Original Calamity for now everything is specualtion on what may have caused the Original Calamity.

Most people are only theorizing it is Creation Magic being the cause but that is more due to speculation from what is learned in Amaurat only.

The point that I failed to make was that Creation Magic did indeed exist outside of Amaurot, rather than being exclusive to it, which is what your previous post mentioned. The Super FATE monster Archaeotania was one of the earlier malformed beasts brought about by the Final Days that the researchers at the Akademia managed to capture and tried to study.

[Iscah]

I say Zeno going FULL kefka by consuming Both Zodiark and Hydaelyn

Who says he's consuming both? He said we shall consume the gods. I think he's planning to share.

Remember that the Final Days started in another city before it affected all of the planet. Which in turn implies that there were more Ancients in other cities around the globe and that Amaurot was the capital of that global civillization.

From what we can know, Amaurot considers itself the capital, but that doesn't mean that others agree.

Vauthry would claim Eulmore as capital of Norvrandt, for example. But that's only because he considers it his right to rule over the other lands.

[Rannie]

Who says he's consuming both? He said we shall consume the gods. I think he's planning to share.

That or Hydaelyn willingly allows us to absorb her to destroy the threat of a Zenodiark... I think if that happens we will be extremely reluctant to do so but still allow it to occur.... hmmmmmmm considering our WoL can pack away 7 atleast 14 at most of sammiches.... what would be the caloric intake value of consuming one Hydaelyn....

Edit sorry about that last part I still kinda cant get over how much we ate that night while talking to Ardbert....

[TankHunter678]

Creation Magic was not a abused thing world wide and the lore so far only states that members of Amaurat were doing research into Creation Magic.

We currently know very little about the Original World outside of Amaurat and what kind of Civilizations existed beyond. The current knowledge being provided is very biased to Amaurat culture only and nothing beyond other Civilization's cultures. For all we know Creation Magic may have been Amaurat exclusive only to their culture but something triggered it to go world wide passively due to how the Magical energy in the world was in complete wack during the Original Calamity.

In case you did not pay attention to the side quests creation magic was an inherent ability of all ancients. This is why they were flabbergasted at finding out that someone who they thought was a child was incapable of using it. Because it is an inherent ability of the species.

Which is also why with sufficient crystals, a focus, and knowledge anyone can summon a primal. Just like the Ancients could think things into existence with just a bit of their aether being used as a catalyst. We may be divided and evolved physically different since then but they are our origins. All of us have the potential to tap into creation magic provided we have sufficient aether, but divided up as we are we simply lack the capacity to fully tap into it.

[EdwinLi]

As for Zenos, I doubt he'll absorb Hydaelyn, because before it even got to that point, we would do everything in our power to stop him. Him absorbing Zodiark may be another issue unless he some how finds a way to break him out of being trapped on the moon. To which I dont even think he knows at this point where zodiark is. Zenos would have to literally force Elidibus to give him that information or absorb Elidibus himself (if it is possible for information to be exchanged that way). Though, we dont know what exact words were said before Elidibus dueced out on Zenos' body...


You know what I've been thinking about a lot lately... that this whole trip to the first and the bad future was a huge Batman Gambit played out by Hydaelyn and it all rested on a single choice Ardbert had to make....

Well Ardbert was stopped from making his sacrifice so we can only expect it was Hydaelyn's plan all along for Ardbert to return to WoL's Soul so he or she can become more complete. I suspect there is a long term plan (setting up for 6.0 events) that may involve having WoL's Soul to be fully restored as it may be the only way for Zodiark to be defeated by WoL with some help from Hydaelyn.

Who says he's consuming both? He said we shall consume the gods. I think he's planning to share.

It sounds like Zenos wants to feast on both with WoL feasting as well. Still this is Zenos we are talking about and his madness is the kind that will bring about the End of the World Scenario with whatever he got planned all for that Epic battle he desires with WoL which may end up being something so catastrophic it makes the battle between Zodiark vs Hydaelyn battle causing the Sundering looks like childs play.