Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[Alleluia]

That is rather funny thing about the story...

We are ONLY shown the people who think Positively about us and our actions when it comes to Saving the world and those that disagree are only been shown as the Antagonist and eventually get killed by WoL.

But none or very few of those who may question us or simple act like they have positive opinions about us but secretly have strong fear and thus only act positvely out of fear to stay on WoL's good side.

We had Teledji Adeledji. He clearly didn't like us, lied to our faces, and betrayed us.

Other than that, I don't see where there is really room for some kind of "we act like we like the WoL but we're really afraid of them" kind of people given our actions. You can maybe count the beast tribes at certain points? But we don't hurt people or wantonly kill or anything that would really justify hidden fear and loathing from people who don't already have a villainous agenda. Unless they are people who've been lied to about us.

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Not trying to be mean, but "seppuku". Sudoku is a game. Seppuku is suicide. I'd have sent you a PM, but this site doesn't seem to have that feature.

Ardbert's group committing sudoku is hilarious, though, and I accept the headcanon.

[EdwinLi]

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It is understandable why we all would see no reason for this but it is the nature of fear to make people do crazy things.

Certain stories can go into this topic such as a entire Civilization murders all Mages in the world and enslave the survivors despite the Mages were the ones who saved the world under the gift of a Goddess that blessed these few people with Magic while preaching how the Non-Magic user are now the Superior race for developing Weapons and high tech tools that surpass Magic thus they no longer need to depend on Magic users nor fear what a Magic user may do to them if they may turn evil one day.

Fear is heck of a drug into Madness and there is no logic in Madness, only horrible inhumane actions that sounds sane for the person consumed by that madness.

[TankHunter678]

It is understandable why we all would see no reason for this but it is the nature of fear to make people do crazy things.

Certain stories can go into this topic such as a entire Civilization murders all Mages in the world and enslave the survivors despite the Mages were the ones who saved the world under the gift of a Goddess that blessed these few people with Magic while preaching how the Non-Magic user are now the Superior race for developing Weapons and high tech tools that surpass Magic thus they no longer need to depend on Magic users nor fear what a Magic user may do to them if they may turn evil one day.

Fear is heck of a drug into Madness and there is no logic in Madness, only horrible inhumane actions that sounds sane for the person consumed by that madness.

That only really kicks in when they would no longer have a use for us. When they are no longer under threat from a immensely powerful entity they couldn't handle but the Hero did then the fear would kick in by those who want to retain their power because of the masses who elevate the Hero who saved them and would rather have the Hero take over leading them.

Course there are some stories out there of nations turning their backs on the Hero after they managed to stop the evil Demon Lord. Splitting up the party, taking away the legendary gear, and sending the Hero on suicide missions to clean up the remaining monsters. Which often times leads to the Hero becoming Fallen and either turning into the next Demon Lord because humanity betrayed them after all they did for humanity, or falling for a trap of pleasure and their power gets fed to a demon who will become the next Demon Lord/Demon Queen and the Hero just ceases to care and lets it happen. You also got stories of where the Heroes get elevated and their child basically forced to inherit the title, role, and training putting them under immense pressure until they just break and vanish, coming to seek the feeling of family and friends with demons that they never got with humans.

Either way the isolation that gets put onto the Hero be it out of fear or out of a sense of otherness by the power difference can wind up having disastrous consequences. At the moment though we do not seem to be suffering from that issue yet because of a good combination of keeping who exactly is the WoL/D vague for the most part and the fact we have a endless chain of world in danger events to keep people from not needing to think about the power difference and start to get scared about what we could do with them when there is no more danger to distract us.

[EdwinLi]

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Well considering they set up that 6.0 maybe the Grand Finale for Season 1 storyline, we may not be far from that story plot. It would actually be a good opportunity to introduce this issue in 5.X so we put into more consideration on how the story may end in potentially 6.0 and open the door for Season 2 storyline as a new beginning.

The only question is what may happen to prevent that outcome so it does not get carried over to Season 2 storyline where it is a new beginning of a new story. Though I can only guess a great sacrifice is made that may cause WoL to lose their powers, the world become fully complete once again without causing a Calamity thus creating a world where everyone is a complete soul, or another potential memory wipe happens and thus WoL wakes up in a new world where Zodiark and Hydaelyn never existed but kept their memories of the old world where everyone else has forgotten.

[Alleo]

That is rather funny thing about the story...

We are ONLY shown the people who think Positively about us and our actions when it comes to Saving the world and those that disagree are only been shown as the Antagonist and eventually get killed by WoL.

But none or very few of those who may question us or simple act like they have positive opinions about us but secretly have strong fear and thus only act positvely out of fear to stay on WoL's good side.

But I have a hard time seeing how a few people on the world will be enough. The "turn against the hero" tropes often happens when the actions of the hero change the view of many. (IMO) Like whole populations turning against superheros because they destroy a lot of stuff in fights against the bad guys.

Otherwise what danger are those few? And again the leaders of the city states are on our side too. And we are talking about WoLs that should not have an opinion about us. How big is the chance that they would only meet those few that are against us? Also since they are WoL they should possess the echo. Arbert and his crew probably knew that we are the good guys. But because of their shard being in danger they could not do anything else then to try to play the villians. Its hard to see what reason Elidibus could find now.

Edit:

I am honestly not sure why we would need a season 2? I really doubt that SE would remake the game again by changing huge parts of the map. (So I doubt that we would see another calamity like event) And why should the WoL lose their power? As we know from Middy taking away our crystals thus the blessing we are quite powerful on our own. And seeing people like Ranjit its seemingly quite easy to have someone that powerful running around. They already have no problem introducing more enemies that are somehow even stronger then before too.

[Quipsy]

I don't see how it would be difficult to turn these warriors of light against us in spite of the WoL's reputation.

All Elidibus would have to do is be suitably convincing about the WoL/D being "a danger to the balance." He could straight up clarify that the they're "beloved, but ignorant to the hidden consequences of their actions" and have people on board. Then you have pain all around because the WoL doesn't want to put down people who are clearly heroic but they cannot be reasoned with because on their end they're confronted with exactly what they were told they'd be and "know better" than to be swayed in spite of what they're feeling. It'd continue the serial gut-punching that the expansion set up pretty well.

[Rannie]

But that's still rehashing the same old song and dance he did with Ardbert and the gang... I'm beginning to think that the dictionary meaning of insanity should show a picture of Elidibus. Maybe all the unsundered ascians for that matter.

[EdwinLi]

Edit:

I am honestly not sure why we would need a season 2? I really doubt that SE would remake the game again by changing huge parts of the map. (So I doubt that we would see another calamity like event) And why should the WoL lose their power? As we know from Middy taking away our crystals thus the blessing we are quite powerful on our own. And seeing people like Ranjit its seemingly quite easy to have someone that powerful running around. They already have no problem introducing more enemies that are somehow even stronger then before too.

You miss understand what i mean by Season 2 storyline.

I am not talking about a Reset of the game itself but a new Storyline that will continue the Story of the Warrior of Light but is not related to the Zodiark vs Hydaelyn War we are currently in since Season 2 storyline will be set a X or Y amount of Time after the Finale of Season 1 (most likely going to be 6.0 Expansion due to what 5.0 has setup in the 5.0 Finale) where Zodiark and the Ascians have been finally defeated at long last. Thus a new storyline that takes place after Zodiark/Ascian's defeat and open the door to go into the lands beyond Eorzea as Adventurers where stronger enemies we have yet to fight are while meeting new friends and old allies in this world were we are no longer have to worry about Zodiark and Ascians. Still got to worry about the New Main Antagonist for Season 2 storyline though but who knows what SE may create as the New Antagonist once Zodiark and the Ascians are defeated.

[Quipsy]

But that's still rehashing the same old song and dance he did with Ardbert and the gang... I'm beginning to think that the dictionary meaning of insanity should show a picture of Elidibus. Maybe all the unsundered ascians for that matter.

Yup. But if there's anything that Shadowbringers revealed, it's that the Ascians are behaving somewhat illogically in pursuit of things that likely would not come to pass--be it because of their tempering or time taking its toll. Elidibus is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, and it happens to be that his favorite thing to throw at the wall is "other people that may possibly correct the mistake for me, including Zenos." A way to mitigate how repeaty this is would be to have him actively participate in the story in some manner instead of just hanging out on the moon and teleporting in to drop mysterious one-liners especially since we really don't know much about him. Him fighting to keep the plan on-course and perhaps interacting directly with us would make things pretty interesting.

[EdwinLi]

Yup. But if there's anything that Shadowbringers revealed, it's that the Ascians are behaving somewhat illogically in pursuit of things that likely would not come to pass--be it because of their tempering or time taking its toll. Elidibus is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, and it happens to be that his favorite thing to throw at the wall is "other people that may possibly correct the mistake for me, including Zenos." A way to mitigate how repeaty this is would be to have him actively participate in the story in some manner instead of just hanging out on the moon and teleporting in to drop mysterious one-liners especially since we really don't know much about him. Him fighting to keep the plan on-course and perhaps interacting directly with us would make things pretty interesting.

I can only assume at this point they have basically tried all possible plans they come up with and thus only struggling now to hold what little chances they have left to bring back Zodiark.

Their plan was almost complete if WoL had not appeared in 2.0 but now everything they had planned is in ruins with their organization now down to their last small remaining survivors and 1 leader.

5.0 finale hints they are at the breaking point and with how things are going it is possible 6.0 maybe the grand finale for this current storyline to finally end this long war between Zodiark/Ascians vs Hydaelyn/WoL. At this point we can only assume how this may end since no one is in control anymore and Zenos is about to go full Kefka on the world soon in his attempt to consume both powers of Zodiark and Hydaelyn to have his Ultimate battle with WoL that would surpass even the battle between Zodiark and Hydaelyn.