Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[dragoelete]

It was obvious enough from the CT series and what could be seen from his model. After he shot out the "I haven't met such an individual" line, I measured him against my Elezen and concluded that either 1) he had amnesia 2) he was a clone or 3) he was trying to hide is identity. People had been waiting for a male Miqo'te to become part of the MSQ, and G'raha was the most prominent one so far, which made him a good candidate. I find it funny that the male Miqo'te we finally got is somewhat of a GMO (his ancestry having been modified by the Allag) with a sprinkle of Crystal Tower. Not that I mind, I even think it sounds good: G'raha Tia, the space-time travelling GMO Miqo'te from the future

apparently a lot of people have forgotten the male miqo in the titan story...

[Rannie]

apparently a lot of people have forgotten the male miqo in the titan story...

I think most people want to forget that part of the msq period. Like the star wars holiday special

[Iscah]

apparently a lot of people have forgotten the male miqo in the titan story...

He's not exactly "prominent" though, even if he came first. One member of the group generally regarded as the game's worst story portion, and pretty unremarkable beyond being "village leader".

G'raha was the central character of a storyline, went through a whole arc of character development, and was a lot more "on the same level" as the WoL - a young adventurer seeking out the mysteries of the tower. He felt like an important character throughout it.

(If I was going to point out a male Miqo'te in the MSQ prior to this, the best option would probably be V'mah Tia from the Scions' B-team. He's been around for a while now and hasn't done anything notable yet - but Arenvald took two expansions to get anything of a feature, so who knows what they've got planned for the others.)

[EdwinLi]

I am curious what would be the reason for the...

Warriors of Light to fight against the Scion's and WoL.

There are multiple reason I can think up being....

1) One may fear the WoL's power and thus deem him or her a threat that needs to be eliminated. (one of the common anime/fantasy story dark bad ending results where the people the Hero saved seek to kill them because of personal fear even if the Hero is good natured)

2) One may just deem WoL too dangerous to be allowed to live a normal life. (the one where the people the Hero is deemed more as a weapon for a nation rather than a living person)

3) One maybe blinded by his or her own belief for what it means to be a Hero (the easily manipulated person with grand gestures of themselves being a Hero either through blind belief for being always Just and Right or just easily manipulated)

4) One maybe seeing us as someone who is secretly Evil and only did Good to hide their own much larger Evil plans. (The Fear a Hero is not what they appear to be.)

5) One may have lost hope for people being Good and see everyone as Evil. (no Hero was there for this person thus they don't believe in Heroes)

[Ilenya]

Assuming you mean the Warriors of Light mentioned at the end, remember Elidibus has done this before. He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

[Kallera]

Assuming you mean the Warriors of Light mentioned at the end, remember Elidibus has done this before. He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

It's not a spicy plan, given that ardbert's group(back in HW) was built up only to fizzle inside of a patch.

[Nalien]

He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

How does he plan to convince them that "The Warriors of Darkness are evil and you need to stop them" though? They're going to commit Sudoku in order to Shard-travel, only to spend literally 5 seconds talking to anyone on the First to realize that the Warrior of Darkness did an overwhelming amount of good for this realm? Like sure, I imagine he can convince them that they need to come stop the Warrior of Darkness, but once they're here and see what's going on? They'd have to be overwhelmingly stupid Warriors of Light to continue acting as the distraction Elidibus wants... This poor little orphan boy was going to turn into a monster, until the Warrior of Darkness saved him and the realm! "We need to stop this menace!"

Not that I'd complain, bring it on Elidibus. Your plan has one massive backfire ready to prime in it and it's really rather funny. Bring all the Shards remaining Warriors of Light to face me, I'm fresh off the high of rejoining with the Firsts Warrior of Light, please do bring me the rest... That does make me sound rather villainous, I'll admit, shame Elidibus should have no clue that that's what happened, because "The Warrior of Darkness is eating other Shards Warriors of Light to grow stronger!" would be an amazing justification for a WoL/WoD showdown...

[Ardox]

They're going to commit Sudoku

They're absolutely going to commit sudoku

[EdwinLi]

How does he plan to convince them that "The Warriors of Darkness are evil and you need to stop them" though? They're going to commit Sudoku in order to Shard-travel, only to spend literally 5 seconds talking to anyone on the First to realize that the Warrior of Darkness did an overwhelming amount of good for this realm? Like sure, I imagine he can convince them that they need to come stop the Warrior of Darkness, but once they're here and see what's going on? They'd have to be overwhelmingly stupid Warriors of Light to continue acting as the distraction Elidibus wants... This poor little orphan boy was going to turn into a monster, until the Warrior of Darkness saved him and the realm! "We need to stop this menace!"

Not that I'd complain, bring it on Elidibus. Your plan has one massive backfire ready to prime in it and it's really rather funny. Bring all the Shards remaining Warriors of Light to face me, I'm fresh off the high of rejoining with the Firsts Warrior of Light, please do bring me the rest... That does make me sound rather villainous, I'll admit, shame Elidibus should have no clue that that's what happened, because "The Warrior of Darkness is eating other Shards Warriors of Light to grow stronger!" would be an amazing justification for a WoL/WoD showdown...

Well I already listed the reasons why they may attack WoL and the Scions.

As dumb as they sound that is not far from the reality of things when it comes to how certain people will treat the Hero that saved the World. Especially when Governments basically consider a Hero with great powers as a unlimited use Weapon of Mass destruction.


There is a certain saying I have for people who choose to be "Heroes"....

"You maybe expected to save the world but don't expect the world to save you from itself."

A common lesson those who choose to be Heroes often learn the hard way once they save the world only to be betrayed by the people they saved because of their own fears or political reasons.

[Alleo]

Assuming you mean the Warriors of Light mentioned at the end, remember Elidibus has done this before. He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

And his plan should fall apart as soon as they met us or talk to some NPCs. We did not attack Ardberts group or fight them to the death just because they were called the Warriors of Darkness. It was the conflict they brought that made us go against them but even then it only turned out bad when they tried to kill us. So it would mean that he somehow brings over WoLs from other shards, tell them some lies, they completely believe those lies, attack us on sight and never try to take it in on their own. That should only be happening once and afterwards those WoLs should notice that we are beloved, that we helped the people.

So I do wonder on where he gets them and why they should even follow him (it cant be another shard that needs to be rejoinied soon because they can only do one at a time).

Well I already listed the reasons why they may attack WoL and the Scions.

As dumb as they sound that is not far from the reality of things when it comes to how certain people will treat the Hero that saved the World. Especially when Governments basically consider a Hero with great powers as a unlimited use Weapon of Mass destruction.

A common lesson those who choose to be Heroes often learn the hard way once they save the world only to be betrayed by the people they saved because of their own fears or political reasons.

The problem with those reasons are that all those leaders stay strongly behind our backs and dont consider us a danger. Heck it was our whole deeds that even gave the people hope in the bad future. We are also not at that point were we are that powerful that nobody could defeat us thus that fear should also not be there. There is also nobody right now shown in the story that hates us so much that we should not be allowed to live a normal life. We have been shown to constantly do good things even after dealing with bad guys and other than having to kill some of our enemies we are truly just a good person. There is nothing in the story right now that hints that any of those people we helped would want to turn on us.

A lot of the points also feel like they are for people that live on the source but see the WoL in a different light but we are talking about other WoLs from other shards. And we do know that you only get to be a WoL if you are doing good things. So maybe for a short amount of time they might think about us as bad people because of us being called the WoD but again that should be a short lived reason if they at least for one second listen to the people around them which are all thankful for our deeds (at least on the shard but that is also the only place we are called a WoD anyway)