Please don't delete tank carbuncle from SMN

[Rarrum]

Looking over the shadowbringer changes, I'm sad that summoner will no longer be a pet class. That was the main reason I picked it. The pets are now all just glorified buffs. That makes some amount of sense from how they're typically used in most groups, and for the wind and fire pets it won't really be missed. However the earth egi/topaz carbuncle is very different. This pet combined with sustain is central to how solo-play works.

Brave little topaz carbuncle even raid-tanked yesterday when our normal tank went linkdead but the other alliances didn't want to wait:


The new earth-egi is probably fine for general group play, but I really hope they consider adding back a solo-oriented tank pet (perhaps as a 4th pet if they want to keep this one for group stuff). I don't feel like a 20% shield will come anywhere close to making up for the loss of not having to face-tank stuff solo. "Maybe" if they fix Physick it'll be ok.. but nobody knows whether that's happening.

[XenabelleS]

I 100% agree but I think it is probably too late. I've swapped to RDM as, if I have to facetank things, I at least need a reliable heal.

[Sylvain]

I 100% agree but I think it is probably too late. I've swapped to RDM as, if I have to facetank things, I at least need a reliable heal.

A reliable heal.... for killing monster ? What do you fight? yourlv+4 mobs?

While we know that to be true, I fear it will have detrimental outcome for SMN leveling and solo duties. With no personal pet tank, with only heal (Physick) scalling from Mind rather than Int, and with HP shield that Titan will now give being 20% on 30 sec cd... I don't think we will have much staying power.

And how do you think BLM level?

What's up with summoner afraid of taking a hit....

[Warlyx]

A reliable heal.... for killing monster ? What do you fight? yourlv+4 mobs?



And how do you think BLM level?

What's up with summoner afraid of taking a hit....

rdm have an awesome heal spell, instant casts 50% of the time

blm has RAW dmg

SMN has DOTS and a pet.....oh nvm , no pet taking the hits while dots do its thing, well at least smn now has tons of "phases" with instant cast spells and a weak aoe heal on phoenix , titan can put a shield i guess before entering combat , and change to ifrit instantly

[Sylvain]

rdm have an awesome heal spell, instant casts 50% of the time

blm has RAW dmg

SMN has DOTS and a pet.....oh nvm , no pet taking the hits while dots do its thing, well at least smn now has tons of "phases" with instant cast spells and a weak aoe heal on phoenix , titan can put a shield i guess before entering combat , and change to ifrit instantly

Raw damage? You do realise that BLM damage is 10-15% above RDM one right?
So if one job would struggle against heavy hitting high hp mobs, it will be the BLM, not the RDM with vercure or the SMN with access to a 20% shield every 30s.
Considering most mob die after a few spells, I hardly see how that damage gap can make Vercure a requirement.

I mean.... I ask again, what kind of mob are you bashing to ask for a heal and a tank? If people were complaining about solo PotD or HoH, okay, sure, why not.
But trash mob during your MSQ? Really? Like, that's your concern number one, how will you kill a mob without having a tank + heal?

If the AST can kill a mob in time without requiring any self heal, I'm pretty sure RDM and SMN will be fine.

[Zyneste]

What I can see more likely that they would do is remove Sleep from BLM and give it as a role skill [Like repose was removed from WHM when SCH/AST lost their only crowd control skills, SMN/RDM losing their bind would warrant the same action.]

Titan Egi-Assault is essentially manaward with less potency but on a much much shorter cool down.

If BLM can be expected to do things, SMN shouldn't have an issue. We always have our healer chocobos as a backup as well.

[Warlyx]

sad times for smn no doubt ....the pets now is cool looking dot , its good that its invulnerable to all the dmg but ugh thats not a SMN , pets are there to do and take dmg for the summoner.

[Kurando]

ugh thats not a SMN , pets are there to do and take dmg for the summoner.

Most of the time Titan-egi can struggle to even keep aggro with the SMN's burst potential, then you have Demi-Bahamut that takes your pet away and resets the aggro to yourself thus complicating things further. Titan might have been useful at lower levels but at higher ones it's just not a practical pet to use and wasn't updated enough to compliment the SMN's kit... until 5.0. The other pets would often take damage just because they had little choice (i.e. it didn't move in time, or it's area wide damage) and not that they were literally taking it for the SMN, otherwise if they did take it in place of them then sure they would have been more useful in that department.

[Fellgon]

Pets wont tank anymore and wont take damage. sorry, they will behavior diferently in SdB.

[Shirokami]

Pets wont tank anymore and wont take damage. sorry, they will behavior diferently in SdB.

While we know that to be true, I fear it will have detrimental outcome for SMN leveling and solo duties. With no personal pet tank, with only heal (Physick) scalling from Mind rather than Int, and with HP shield that Titan will now give being 20% on 30 sec cd... I don't think we will have much staying power.