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  1. #41
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    Nixxe's Avatar
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    Nixx Delumi
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Plastics View Post
    WN is better than manip2 now, and brow is mostly unnecessary, it'd only be useful in some cases for specialist macros because of the 100%. In single button macros we can easily get to IQ8+.
    What we can get is irrelevant. The point is efficiency, which means not wasting time on unnecessary steps.
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  2. #42
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleanse View Post
    Maria Nyan's 1 button time saver is great...
    Seems decent, though it doesn't seem to leave you with spare Progress if your Careful's aren't enough. I'm currently using:

    Non-Specialist:
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Name of the Elements" <wait.2>
    /ac "Brand of the Elements" <wait.3>
    Specialist:
    /ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>

    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Name of the Elements" <wait.2>
    /ac "Brand of the Elements" <wait.3>
    If you're lv70 or struggling for Progress you switch the Preparatory for Prudent. These should leave enough spare Durability that you can finish the craft manually with an extra Brand or two if needed and should work fine for gear and under-leveled crafts. Not saying they're optimal, just throwing out what I have for now, feel free to tweak and improve.
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    Last edited by Liam_Harper; 07-09-2019 at 08:17 AM.

  3. #43
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    Cleanse's Avatar
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    Marshal Renew
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I think the macro I posted was only for 71-74 or so... The full list can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eview?sle=true
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  4. #44
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    Ayne Yunabi
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Once I hit level 71, I used this rotation for the level 71/73/76: 40 durability items.
    It is relatively CP (424) and Craftsmanship friendly and still produces really good quality and can be used with one button, if needed it has still one action left to be completed (or quality to increase with before Blessing)

    /ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
    /ac Observe <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis III"

    Edit: When enough CP you can exchange innovation for ingenuity, add another prudent touch after steady hand (use SH II then), add innovation with inguenity at the end etc. I changed this base relatively often, to increase the quality. But with my stats it was enough until level 78/79er recipies^^
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    Last edited by Buuhuu; 07-09-2019 at 02:29 AM.

  5. #45
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    Alya Mizar
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadygrove View Post
    My production macros for L 60 - 70 gear work just fine so far.
    I suppose I should post them...

    Stats: Crafts 1769, Cont 1652, 492 CPs. No food needed. Before 72 I had to add another synthsis step.

    /ac "Muscle Memory" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Master's Mend" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Master's Mend" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <me> <wait.3>
    /echo NEXT <se.1>

    /ac "Steady Hand" <me> <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Piece by Piece" <me> <wait.3>
    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Careful Synthesis III"
    /echo DONE!
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  6. #46
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    Plastic Spork
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    Zalera
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    What we can get is irrelevant. The point is efficiency, which means not wasting time on unnecessary steps.
    It's not irrelevant. There are virtually no cases where brow would still be useful, even as spec, including optimized short rotations.
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  7. #47
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    Caiko Kitteh
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I just use my 4* macros up until 80 still. I use my 65-70 non spec macro to 75. nothing has really changed that much that I can tell.
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  8. #48
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    Stouter Taru
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Plastics View Post
    It's not irrelevant. There are virtually no cases where brow would still be useful, even as spec, including optimized short rotations.
    • Miracle Brow rotation for high end crafts. Full IQ Byr Miracle drops you to IQ6, where Blessing and Brow were equal potency, Brow was 6 CP less, and Brow didn't require SH for 100% success on specialist
    • Macros for specialist stuff around your level, saving a line by only needing 1 SH
    • Macro protection against Poor condition Blessing (in 3.x, killed in 4.0)
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plastics View Post
    It's not irrelevant. There are virtually no cases where brow would still be useful, even as spec, including optimized short rotations.
    So there are a non-zero number of benefits to Brow being in the game and zero benefits to removing Brow. Thanks for making my case for me.
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  10. #50
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    • Miracle Brow rotation for high end crafts. Full IQ Byr Miracle drops you to IQ6, where Blessing and Brow were equal potency, Brow was 6 CP less, and Brow didn't require SH for 100% success on specialist
    • Macros for specialist stuff around your level, saving a line by only needing 1 SH
    • Macro protection against Poor condition Blessing (in 3.x, killed in 4.0)
    1. We gain stacks so efficiently and quickly now that the rotation that will be used is Miracle Blessing if the difficulty is high enough. Try the new abilities, IQ 6 is irrelevant today, we're not in SB or HW.
    2. The current short rotations and the current meta with the control cap means you will *always* use Blessing. When you get short enough to think Brow would be useful, you're better off doing it without IQ at all, which is a better strategy given we have new abilities. Again, we have new abilities for irrelevant easy shit that make Brow completely redundant. Try them out.
    3. Nobody actually does this, and it can be done without Brow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    So there are a non-zero number of benefits to Brow being in the game and zero benefits to removing Brow. Thanks for making my case for me.
    Both of these make massive assumptions, while denying entirely the fact that Brow has zero relevant use right now. The only use it had in the game was rarely in leveling (e.g. very bad strategies around RNG and using Brow if you fail too much, so a handicap for people who don't don't matter) and master crafts. It's completely useless in master crafts now, and it isn't even close to actually useful for leveling. Keeping it would've had no benefit. We don't know what kind of maintenance cost is involved or internal testing SE did that made them want to remove it, but they did, so this assumption is bad. There was a benefit, that's why they did it.

    What it sounds like, mainly, is you're crying your old macros don't work anymore and you'll need to do something different. That's pretty sad, don't be so garbage at crafting.
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    Last edited by Plastics; 07-10-2019 at 06:00 PM.

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