unlimited frame rate option has been removed from the client on 5.0

**asheryon** · 06-28-2019 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mistyregions

Out of bounds is not harmless, it's an Avenue of movement for RMT

which can be alredy get bypassed by hacking programs....even if 30 or 40 fps.....

edit: also its not a good practice to screw your entire playerbase to kick some cheaters (not even all, just some), when, you could invest some money and put a good anti cheat system or security measures....

**msoltyspl** · 06-28-2019 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by asheryon

i ve been playing at 144 since 2.x, you know what?...i never find anything broken so idk what are these problems you talking about (and no out of bounds doesnt count, its harmless.), i understand you dont mean ill intention by writing what you did, but its simply not true.

Same here - although only for ~half a year since I upgraded to variable refresh rate monitor.

I have yet to see a single issue at any refresh rate (RTSS capped 140hz), and the amount of bullshit thrown between this place and reddit can really get on one nerves. No clothes issues, no boobs jiggling issues, no OOB issues, no any whatsoever fucking issues.

Yes, there're some peculiar places where unlocking fps can /supposedly/ make it easier to exploit geometry - then fix the fucking game if it's suddenly bothersome. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater after 6 years out of sheer laziness and/or ignorance.

On top of that the in-game frame limiter has been a broken junk since forever (with any and all bug reports consistently ignored), confused by anything more than 60 fps and adding significant input lag on its own. And combating input lag is THE main reason high refresh rate VRR monitors are getting purchased.

Either way 90fps hardcap is a joke, and one of many nails to the eventual coffin of this game. The expansion has brought quite a few already.

**asheryon** · 06-28-2019 04:16 AM

*sigh* SE did it again....when will be the day i will stop getting surprised at SE screwing their customers.

**Histoire** · 06-28-2019 05:07 AM

I'll chime in to say, I didn't spend several hundred in the past year to have a company decide my frame rate for me. Buzz off with the backward steps please. 144+ fps capable PCs are the future and denying that is just..well, silly from what is a very successful company.

I can't believe I logged out from a 144 fps game to return to it at 90. It isn't going to be good. Bots are a really poor excuse. I know people hate them, but I really think you're just screwing over regular ol' people here. Bots always have, and always will, find a way around it. The thing is, so will we. Someone'll patch or mod this out pretty quickly. It's wholly stupid in every aspect. There is no argument for this that would make a lick of sense.

**Lemuel81** · 06-28-2019 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Histoire

I'll chime in to say, I didn't spend several hundred in the past year to have a company decide my frame rate for me. Buzz off with the backward steps please. 144+ fps capable PCs are the future and denying that is just..well, silly from what is a very successful company.

I can't believe I logged out from a 144 fps game to return to it at 90. It isn't going to be good. Bots are a really poor excuse. I know people hate them, but I really think you're just screwing over regular ol' people here. Bots always have, and always will, find a way around it. The thing is, so will we. Someone'll patch or mod this out pretty quickly. It's wholly stupid in every aspect. There is no argument for this that would make a lick of sense.

I think it is fair that since they are the designers of this game that they should be able to dictate how their games will run and perform. I have not put all this time to progress in this game to use a mod and get myself banned. Seems pretty stupid. Hell I played this game with no issues on 50 fps due to playing it on a very old PC. I know I will be fine with just 90.

**Raiya** · 06-28-2019 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lemuel81

I think it is fair that since they are the designers of this game that they should be able to dictate how their games will run and perform. I have not put all this time to progress in this game to use a mod and get myself banned. Seems pretty stupid. Hell I played this game with no issues on 50 fps due to playing it on a very old PC. I know I will be fine with just 90.

Counterpoint: Many of us purchased hardware to enjoy the game at it's best level of detail and enjoyment, said hardware also cost's significant amount of money to acquire, not to mention those of us who have the hardware will notice visual stuttering and tearing which occurs when FPS is set well below the monitors actual refresh rate. Change's are also inexplicable and out of the blue and no reason has been given for this. The said changes risk causing performance issues for us that were not there before.

Was the reason the cap was set because it caused people's hardware to break?
Then SE doesn't need to do anything because a player workaround isn't intended so they're covered against this if so.

Was it set to prevent cheating? Utterly pointless and only aggrivate's and annoys legitimate players as cheaters and botters are using modified code to begin with, also risks dragging non cheating players into the mess because as anyone know's people on PC can and will make fixes on their end especially when no explanation or justification is given.

We had uncapped FPS to begin with and this just shouldn't have happened not in 2019.

**Ifitisnotfunwhyplay** · 06-28-2019 07:36 AM

Eli85, we get that you think complaining about what could turn out to be a hard FPS cap is silly, but it seems you are missing the point that WaterShield so eloquently keeps stating and which I'll put a bit differently.

Those of us who have a system that can play at higher than 90FPS had no reason to expect that we would not be able to do so in ShB since we could in 2.0 and in every expansion since. I get that you don't care, and I don't actually care that you don't care. I'm simply trying to help make the point, for all concerned, that if SE really is artificially forcing players with powerful PCs to play below the FPS we can achieve--and blindsiding those players with this at the last last minute--it is just wrong. We shouldn't be placed in a position to think that as soon as we can complete the 5.0 download we need to see about that FPS thing. We should be able to just enjoy not being able to even see the NPC who starts off the new MSQ line, like always. We should not even have to think about whether the PCs we worked so hard to build or acquire are going to be allowed to perform as they were designed.

Calling those who feel miffed about being blindsided "comical" is even more wrong than the root issue. Please stop.

**sauc** · 06-28-2019 11:29 AM

There's literally no good reason to defend this (being jealous you can't go that high is not a good reason). If any other game thats been up for years decided to randomly do this (and announce it like 2 days before release after they got all their pre-orders no less) their forums would go up in flames and it would get reverted.

I can only imagine if blizz tried to pull this off with wow the reception would be insane

**DrFlesh** · 06-28-2019 11:37 AM

took that from reddit, 90 fps cap confirmed so is not a 1.5 refresh rate at all

edit: direct link to the image
https://i.vgy.me/OIgT8F.png

**MPK** · 06-28-2019 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by DrFlesh

took that from reddit, 90 fps cap confirmed so is not a 1.5 refresh rate at all

edit: direct link to the image
https://i.vgy.me/OIgT8F.png

Great I can still play 144hz

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