Thread: Patch 5.0 Notes

Originally Posted by Lissyl

So that's a ridiculously huge nerf, like...catastrophic-grade by comparison (at least at my current level, I obviously don't know how it changes in the future). So much for all those FATE's I was running lol.

Alrighty thank you very much.

Later on, Titan Egi just didn't/doesn't hold aggro well enough to keep things off the tank, and with Bahamut, he loses the aggro he has entirely. This is, as a whole for the better later, but I can see it having potential issues early, especially if they forget to change the ACN job quest that basically required it.

Originally Posted by Ilenya

Later on, Titan Egi just didn't/doesn't hold aggro well enough to keep things off the tank, and with Bahamut, he loses the aggro he has entirely. This is, as a whole for the better later, but I can see it having potential issues early, especially if they forget to change the ACN job quest that basically required it.

Wouldn't that be a better reason to, idk, fix Titan/Topaz's crippling scaling issues, rather than just saying "Can't be bothered; no more pets"?

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Wouldn't that be a better reason to, idk, fix Titan/Topaz's crippling scaling issues, rather than just saying "Can't be bothered; no more pets"?

Not really, because pet tank causes more harm than good as it is in group setting unless your party has a plan. 5.0 Titan/Topaz can be used more freely in more scenarios.

Originally Posted by Daralii

The crippling scaling was a deliberate change made in 2.X, because groups would use Titan-Egi as a dedicated tank in order to cheese Ramuh EX.

They already fixed that by removing Egi mitigation to his tankbuster...

Originally Posted by linay

Not really, because pet tank causes more harm than good as it is in group setting unless your party has a plan. 5.0 Titan/Topaz can be used more freely in more scenarios.

Having Titan be able to tank in typical open world content does not require that he pulls off actual tanks. There's a huge enmity chasm between the two even assuming one doesn't take the obvious solutions like simply adding, say, a permanent Shadewalker from you to Titan.

It's not as if the changes have made him more broadly applicable, either; it's simply swapped him from being niche to inferior in either newly delineated niche to survive into 5.0 (AoE and single-target).

Previously Garuda and Ifrit provided two styles of the same capacities, via either increased mobility and damage or increased snapshot burst damage, with Garuda only ever being obligatory with other casters -- which... wouldn't even be an issue at this point given the removal of Contagion as a raid buff.

I don't get this whole need to have one clear better choice in situation X and another in situation Y so that you have no actual choice, only more swapping. And why you'd then leave a pet that is then made purely to be inferior to either one in exchange for a survival CD that sees no use in good play (since, if you're going to die in a way that requires Titan's survival CD on you, so is probably everyone short of the tanks and BLM anyways) is even more baffling.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Wouldn't that be a better reason to, idk, fix Titan/Topaz's crippling scaling issues, rather than just saying "Can't be bothered; no more pets"?

No, Titan has been dragged long enough. We don't need it, that's all there is to know really. We don't even need to use it in our own job quests.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Wouldn't that be a better reason to, idk, fix Titan/Topaz's crippling scaling issues, rather than just saying "Can't be bothered; no more pets"?

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