The Future of the Beast Gauge for WAR

[RavenFall_]

With Deliverance gone and tank stance only increasing enmity, that means the max 10% parry rate and max 10% crit would go with them as well. So there isn't really a reason to manage gauge, and we can now just dump gauge whenever without worrying about keeping it high. I don't know what to think of these changes. The gauge, seems to be heading in a bland direction. What are your thoughts on the Beast Gauge? What changes would you like to see for it?

[Raldo]

I'd imagine the vast majority of people weren't even aware that was a thing, and were already dumping gauge with no concern about keeping it high.

[Izsha]

If ut does go that way, then yes its one less way to optimize. Though since the gauge isnt tied to an action theres no tooltip we could see from media tour. That doesnt mean its not there. It just may he hidden. The same way that we dont know how much damage boost darkside buff gives because its not stated in a tooltip.

If its gone, its gone and so is gauge management. But theres a chance it isnt really gone. Just not seen in our limited info.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

I would prefer if it stays, but it's not that big of a deal.

[Kalise]

If ut does go that way, then yes its one less way to optimize. Though since the gauge isnt tied to an action theres no tooltip we could see from media tour. That doesnt mean its not there. It just may he hidden. The same way that we dont know how much damage boost darkside buff gives because its not stated in a tooltip.

Though, it doesn't mention it in the tooltip for actually getting Beast Gauge from the traits either.



You'd think that if it had any stats on it, you'd see it somewhere in the Traits section around level 35 when you actually get the darn thing.

What are your thoughts on the Beast Gauge?

New Gauge is pretty lame. It's all about spam FC on CD to get Infuriate up now. Even things like Upheaval need to be actually considered to make sure they're worth delaying a FC because Infuriate.

Like, at this point, we seem to be trying to focus Gauge down to literally one skill. At which point you really have to ask... What's the point in even having a Gauge to begin with? Especially when Infuriate happens to give enough Gauge to use the Inner Chaos it allows the use of... May as well just make Infuriate Inner Chaos/Chaotic Cyclone instead of a gauge generator and slap a shared like 15s CD on FC/Devastate and delete gauge. You'd still have the same gameplay...

What changes would you like to see for it?

Honestly...

I'd love to see Beast Gauge become a dual gauge system. Where we build Defiance for defensive skills and build Deliverance for offensive skills. While having hybrid skills that consume both resources *Cough*Inner Beast*Cough*Steel Cyclone*Cough* but are limited by CD (So people won't just spam away all their Defiance on hybrid skills).

Maybe with some skills having additional effects when at higher gauge counts. Such as an Inner Chaos (Renamed into the 1.0 skill Godsbane) that can consume more than 50 gauge to empower it based on how much extra it uses. So you have additional thought about pooling resources for certain skills and gameplay is more about smacking something once really god damn hard as opposed to rolling your face over your keyboard and DCH Fell Cleaves for 10s...

[Jukebox12]

Though, it doesn't mention it in the tooltip for actually getting Beast Gauge from the traits either.



You'd think that if it had any stats on it, you'd see it somewhere in the Traits section around level 35 when you actually get the darn thing.



New Gauge is pretty lame. It's all about spam FC on CD to get Infuriate up now. Even things like Upheaval need to be actually considered to make sure they're worth delaying a FC because Infuriate.

Like, at this point, we seem to be trying to focus Gauge down to literally one skill. At which point you really have to ask... What's the point in even having a Gauge to begin with? Especially when Infuriate happens to give enough Gauge to use the Inner Chaos it allows the use of... May as well just make Infuriate Inner Chaos/Chaotic Cyclone instead of a gauge generator and slap a shared like 15s CD on FC/Devastate and delete gauge. You'd still have the same gameplay...



Honestly...

I'd love to see Beast Gauge become a dual gauge system. Where we build Defiance for defensive skills and build Deliverance for offensive skills. While having hybrid skills that consume both resources *Cough*Inner Beast*Cough*Steel Cyclone*Cough* but are limited by CD (So people won't just spam away all their Defiance on hybrid skills).

Maybe with some skills having additional effects when at higher gauge counts. Such as an Inner Chaos (Renamed into the 1.0 skill Godsbane) that can consume more than 50 gauge to empower it based on how much extra it uses. So you have additional thought about pooling resources for certain skills and gameplay is more about smacking something once really god damn hard as opposed to rolling your face over your keyboard and DCH Fell Cleaves for 10s...

So everything is subject to change so the point is invaild

[Maneesha]

Personally i dont have an issue with the loss of 10% crit from gauge, if i remember correctly the crit bonus effect on gauge came either with 4.1 or even later (to lazy to look it up atm). So while its nice having this bonus up, i was already used to not having to pay attention to keep 60-100 gauge in reserve all the time just to maintain the buff.

[Hierro]

I'd imagine the vast majority of people weren't even aware that was a thing, and were already dumping gauge with no concern about keeping it high.

The vast majority of people live the unexamined life and don't have nice logs tbh.

[Reynhart]

I'd love to see Beast Gauge become a dual gauge system. Where we build Defiance for defensive skills and build Deliverance for offensive skills.

Unless you build both of them at the same time, wouldn't it face the same issue as "Inner Beast vs Fell Cleave" where no one would want to "waste" GCDs not building offensive skills ?


The thing that bugs me is that Infuriate basically lost its initial purpose. Before, it was used to refill your Gauge, if you want to use an additionnal GCD during a window, or you needed your gap closer right away, or, who knows, if you needed the added benefit. Now, you will only use it for Inner Chaos or Chaotic Cyclone. Technically, you can remove the gauge refill and the cost on both those skills, it would be the same in real fights.

[NyneSwordz]

Why is this news now? I thought we knew about this weeks ago. This is part of the reason why I wanted Onslaught to not cost gauge. At this point though, I guess we'll have to see how things go.

I expect some fine tuning by 5.1. Hopefully Onslaught will get another review and adjusted.