MNK/PGL : STR vs INT vs ATT

[Meleena]

I suppose that swift song does not stack on top of that.

[Mister-Wonderful]

I suppose that swift song does not stack on top of that.

Doesn't seem to.

[Nexxus]

With feets on, i get the same mouvment speed as the brd song.

[Kaeko]

Hey Alma,

Rare to see testing on official forums, but really glad to see you testing MNK in XIV. Anyways, I can explain why you notice continual boosts in damage from applying STR way past 300+. This has to do with the dual use of STR. For MNK/PGL, STR is the auto-attack and WS modifier similar to PIE on ARC. However, in addition to this modifier, STR is also always a direct boost to ATK at a rough 3:2 ratio meaning 3 STR is equivalent to 2 ATK.

The continual boost in damage you notice well beyond 300+ were hypothesized by Seiken to be due purely to the ATK:STR ratio boost. Prior to reaching whatever the stat cap for job modifiers were, your STR was actually giving you a damage boost for both this ATK:STR ratio boost AND for the job modifier (double bang for your buck). This concept was illustrated in his LNC testing where STR was also the WS/auto modifier for that class.



In this graph from his LNC testing, you can see that there is a clear linear increase similar to that found in the ARC PIE testing. However, around the supposed cap, instead of no longer doing any damage bonus (as in ARC testing), there is simply a change in the linear curve at a reduced slope. Based on this finding, he said prior to the inflection point (presumed STR LNC cap in 1.20), you were getting STR bonus from modifier and ATK:STR ratio; after the inflection point and presumed cap, you are only getting ATK:STR ratio bonuses.

So the best way to test for a MNK/PGL auto/WS STR cap is actually more complex than ARC PIE testing. For ARC because PIE provides no damage benefit other than being the WS/auto modifier, you can simply look for a point where adding PIE no longer adds damage. However, for other classes where STR is the modifier in question, you have to plot it out and look for the inflection point as Seiken did for LNC.

[Almalexia]

Thank you, Kaeko. I will keep an eye on the LNC forum for Seiken's testing; looks like he's going to start up again. I'll use his findings as a springboard for my own tests to see if the new cap--if reachable--is consistent across jobs.

In other words, I'll let someone else do the tedious, incremental stat increases manipulation in cap-hunting.

[Kaeko]

In 1.20 we tested that the stat cap was dependent on variables other than your current level. It involves a combination of Base damage and at least 1 other factor that we never really pinned down. So the base caps are probably not going to be the same across the board due to varying base damage maxes on different classes.

[Almalexia]

Lovely. I didn't have anything to do this weekend anyway.

[AlphaDragoon]

Doesn't seem to.

Actually, I think FoW and Swiftsong do stack. I was in Darkhold with a group, and the bard cast Swiftsong. I then threw on FoW and proceeded to outrun the other players who just had Swiftsong on.

[Aratharn]

Actually, I think FoW and Swiftsong do stack. I was in Darkhold with a group, and the bard cast Swiftsong. I then threw on FoW and proceeded to outrun the other players who just had Swiftsong on.

Were you wearing MNK AF boots?

If so that is probably what made you run faster, not swiftsong.

[charlemagne]

So am I right in prioritising att over str and int? I was considering swapping out some att for more str to see if it was better.
Currently my str only sits at 242 and my int at 279. Att is 630 without food or stance. With fists of fire and eft steak it goes up to 806.