Some mentors...

[Crushnight]

No you don't.
You don't need to adhere to anyone's standard when it comes to entering a dungeon with the roulette system.
The only "standard" you need to live up to is meeting whatever requirements the dungeon throws at your group. If those are met, then it's the end of the discussion.


It's a whole different discussion however in party-finder where groups are formed with clear goals in mind.
There, and only there can standards be set that people need to live up to or be booted from the group.

Strictly speaking, yes, if you can pull of the damage requirements to get through.
You're trying to counter with an extreme though which is moot in being discussed.
It's discussed somewhere else that a minimum ilvl would be good for ALL dungeons to prevent a situation like that.


Heck I'd kick people who just auto-attack, or simply do nothing. Don't misunderstand my post as telling people they can do what they want and be carried 100%.
Some minimum effort is definitely required, but I won't adhere to living up to Bahamut Ultimate standards either in a random dungeon.

These statements contradict each other, you yourself have some standards you expect of others despite the game in no way enforcing them, the game has 1 set of standards the community has another set then finally(the one that should be listened to the least because it has the most extremes in it) are each individual standards.

Most people are reasonable and won't deviate too much from the community + game standards but some people will have ridiciously low/high standards some people will think ice mage is acceptable, just like some people will expect random people to be at a 90% percentile level >_>

[NekoNova]

These statements contradict each other, you yourself have some standards you expect of others despite the game in no way enforcing them, the game has 1 set of standards the community has another set then finally(the one that should be listened to the least because it has the most extremes in it) are each individual standards.

Most people are reasonable and won't deviate too much from the community + game standards but some people will have ridiciously low/high standards some people will think ice mage is acceptable, just like some people will expect random people to be at a 90% percentile level >_>

I definitely have standards and expectations of people when grouping up with them.
I'm not denying that at all., but I don't enforce them. I don't belittle people because they perform poorly, make mistakes etc.
Frankly, I don't care how they perform, cause I'm just there to finish that one dungeon to get my tokens and that's it.


Do I want an iLvl limit on dungeon? Heck yes.
I'd even welcome some kind of DPS checks in the game. Something that hard and clearly says : you don't make the cut for this instance.
But that's the thing, I want this to be controlled by the game/system. Not by players.
But I also believe that players cannot and should not police others when it comes to these checks, simply because the potential for abuse is far too great.


And from experience, I agree. Most people tend to be reasonable, or like me; simply don't care.
And it even depends on what datacenter you play, as I see a clear difference between playing on Chaos or playing on Elemental for example