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  1. #1
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    WindyGamer's Avatar
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    Wrakwolf Bluemane
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    Moogle Treasure Trove rewards

    I know it's way too late in this event to reconsider rewards, but it seems one might consider the consequences of the current reward structure when designing future events.

    One might start by considering "Moggle Tomestones per unit time" as a measure of reward, and then consider the implications of what has been done.

    (1) Low level players are at a significant disadvantage since they can only get one tome per 40 or so minutes by doing the low level dungeons.

    (2) Mid level dungeons are no better. Stone Vigil or other mid level dungeons take 40 or so minutes to complete - I'm sure you have a better timing that I do - but only reward one tome. [ I suspect, but have not verified, that all light party dungeons are designed to take between 30 and 40 minutes by a competent party.]

    (3) for 50+ players, both CM and TP reward 3 tomes, but TP takes almost an hour, so running that for tomes makes no sense. Also, I'm not clear that the MS Roulette rewards tomes so you can't, even once a day, get advanced XP and tomes at the same time. Since TP takes twice as long, shouldn't it reward twice as many Moogle Tomes? What is the reason that the MS Roulette does not reward tomes?

    (4) Given all this, all players with access to a 50+ job have only one viable option: spam CM. And it takes basically all day - about 8 hours of play on a healer or tank with minimal queue times - to get a mount. I'm sure we all know this by now. I'm just reminding us.

    I'm not sure what the goals of this event were from SEs point of view, but clearly the reward structure:

    (1) Does not reward low level players for attempting to advance toward Shadowbringers. Many days of grinding for just one mount?

    (2) Does not provide new players to FFXIV with a meaningful way to achieve interesting rewards for interesting play. Even new players who have reached level 50 in a job, and I've seen plenty of sprig and flower icons grinding in CM, are not given widely varying ways to achieve these rewards.

    For future events, I suggest that SE consider the goals of the event and consequences of the reward structure to be more varied and inclusive to players of all levels of play.

    Thanks for listening. Now back to the grind. I'm almost done with getting a single mount for my Alts. - Yep. I have a few Alts. And will have two more after Shadowbringers drops.

    Cheers.
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    Last edited by WindyGamer; 06-24-2019 at 04:28 AM.

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    JWag12787's Avatar
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    Kaiya Nakamura
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    I'm not sure the goal of the event was to accommodate everyone, but to accommodate those willing to work and grind and sweat to get what they want. Even at a higher level, it requires some work and dedication. Yes, at a lower level, it requires more, but at the end of it, how many levels would you gain in the process of pursuing your goal?


    I think overall its a good event. Just wish there was a longer earning period overall
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    If you're leveling it's a pretty good deal. I got 40 tokens taking my RDM on Balmung to 70 doing simply alliance and main story. I had to grind out the last 10 tomes given i hit cap a bit soon but that was fine. This was an alt and I'm happy to have Pegasus on her account.

    On my main (well most popular character) I got 5 mounts (3 beast tribe and 2 birds) and the Pegasus minion. I'm working toward the last beast tribe mount for her account and should have that done today or tomorrow. I was told by a friend that this event may run from time to time with different rewards so that could be cool although with ShB will probably be a bit busy to grind stuff if an event comes again too soon.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 06-24-2019 at 04:37 AM.

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    Ryu Saarva
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    pretty sure the goal of this event is to give players fast pops for the crystal tower since it's part of them shadowbringers main story.
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    Hogelun Noykin
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    (3) for 50+ players, both CM and TP reward 3 tomes, but TP takes almost an hour, so running that for tomes makes no sense. Also, I'm not clear that the MS Roulette rewards tomes so you can't, even once a day, get advanced XP and tomes at the same time. Since TP takes twice as long, shouldn't it reward twice as many Moogle Tomes? What is the reason that the MS Roulette does not reward tomes?.
    Unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is not the case. MSQ roulette gives both Irregular Tomestones and the huge XP chunk the first time you run it, and whilst I can't recall precisely whether it's the case (since I've only done one non-bonus MSQ roulette since the event's start), I'm sure that each subsequent run also gives Irregular Tomestones.
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    Garnet Lunares
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doljax View Post
    Unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is not the case. MSQ roulette gives both Irregular Tomestones and the huge XP chunk the first time you run it, and whilst I can't recall precisely whether it's the case (since I've only done one non-bonus MSQ roulette since the event's start), I'm sure that each subsequent run also gives Irregular Tomestones.
    You are correct, subsequent runs also reward Irregular Tomestones

    All of the rewards can be earned by other game activities (except the Namazu earrings), so new players shouldn't fret that they're missing out on anything by not being able to grind out tomestones as easily.
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    Nephie Elz
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    Well, hopefully, this event will be like a bimonthly event and that they lower the amount of tokens needed for maps and add reward up bonuses for entering treasure trove though them
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    Ewwwwwww, it's all glowwy again!

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    Zaeirra Sntyrr
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    Actually level 50+ players are spamming CT raids, specifically Sycrus Tower. 2 tomes every 15-20 minutes, not great but definitely not as bad as the alternatives.
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    Ulala Ula
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    Still it sucks... I got like 97% the stuff already. It was faster to grind the diadem for the mount and i dont feel like doing the grind for the earrings lol.

    Way too few relevant dungeons, no random daily or 2-3 hour swichting bonus like light grind had, plus a way too short time to easy grind - most run smt over and over and over and over again. And i wont run 50x LotA when the roulett will throw me in there all the time due ppl cheating for easy leveling >_>


    Btw are those maps we can buy worht it?
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    Um 1 and 2 are basically the same and I don't understand why and how you separated them since I count med lvl as 50+ anyways. And 40 minutes for a dungeon, since when? If it takes over 30 minutes you have major party troubles and should disband anyways.

    You also forgot the blue mages blasting thou dungeons. Those are fun and I'd suggest doing it if you haven't while you could still get a pf group in a reasonable amount of time. Those runs take about 5-6 minutes if I recall correctly.

    The goal as I see is to reward veteran players who help new players with specific content and to help new players experience said content. That's why msq roulette is in it. To say it should reward new players as much or greater then veterans doesn't make sense to me since their reward is ARR content.
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