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    The problem is these people think their sub entitles them to everything the game offers, optional, cosmetic - or not. There can be an argument for pricing (which is high, but not far from the norm), and whether there should or should not be a cash shop in a sub-based MMO,
    They could add something where a sub gives people like 100 Crysta a month, and they can use that to buy a new outfit every 6 months or something. That's what Swtor does.
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    Optional stuff that has no impact on your gameplay is now content


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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackHatchet View Post
    I feel like the mogstation is greedy, because they originally released outfits for like 8 and 10 bucks. And then Minfilla was the first 'special' outfit worthy of 15 dollars. Then they randomly price hiked things to 18 bucks! And now every new outfit is 18 bucks. It's like they were testing the water to see how much they can milk people. If they weren't greedy--then every new outfit would be 10-15 bucks.

    Cosmetic only? Not quite! Two-seater mounts provide a unique advantage over other people. So does that Motorcycle that'll give faster mount speed in SB. (Though the introduction of the 4 seater car kinda invalidates the two-seater mount argument, lol. So good on them!). It used to be you couldn't get a two-seater unless you paid money or you had a friend recruit you and pay for a sub. Either way--someone had to pay!

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    Though for all the crazy insane prices. I do have to say that fantasias are reasonable at 10 bucks compared to WoW's 25/30. So there's that. IT's not all doom and gloom!

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    Personally, my biggest outrage is that all items are character limited besides some mounts. It should all be account wide.
    Not every new outfit is $18, the majority of the past new inclusions are actually about $12. Their pricing seems to be all over the place though. Some things are $18, others are $12, honestly I can't find a reason why some things are priced higher than others on that shop. One reason I don't purchase the majority of the stuff offered. I have bought stuff, but mostly on impulse - which is probably a problem of mine in itself (mostly fantasia). I only have one store mount, and i bought it on sale when it was like $16 (account wide carbuncle - so my alt has it too!)!

    Quote Originally Posted by JackHatchet View Post
    They could add something where a sub gives people like 100 Crysta a month, and they can use that to buy a new outfit every 6 months or something. That's what Swtor does.
    I don't think they necessarily should. The cash shops in that game, or even something like ESO is completely different. By the way ESO regularly sells "limited items" such as mounts at $40+ and their big houses cost like $100, but it's buy to play with an "optional sub"! I do think ESO specifically has good value for the sub, for what it is however, so don't get me wrong, but free premium currency is actually a tactic to get you to spend more on cash shops (with the way those are designed), it's actually very predatory. Both SWTOR and ESO have loot boxes, "limited time" loot boxes, by the way.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Not every new outfit is $18, the majority of the past new inclusions are actually about $12. Their pricing seems to be all over the place though. Some things are $18, others are $12, honestly I can't find a reason why some things are priced higher than others on that shop. One reason I don't purchase the majority of the stuff offered. I have bought stuff, but mostly on impulse - which is probably a problem of mine in itself (mostly fantasia). I only have one store mount, and i bought it on sale when it was like $16 (account wide carbuncle - so my alt has it too!)!

    I don't think they necessarily should. The cash shops in that game, or even something like ESO is completely different. By the way ESO regularly sells "limited items" such as mounts at $40+ and their big houses cost like $100, but it's buy to play with an "optional sub"!
    Carbuncle mount is a beast. I love small mounts, because I hated in Warcraft how larger mounts would cover up quest givers when you land on them, lol... I'm glad it's account-wide, but I do miss some of my outfits and emotes on my alts. Though I mostly use my alts to store items and to act as additional auction slots. If someone were to ever have a 'pay to win' conversation-it'd be about how paid retainers give players an edge on the market by providing additional auction slots. But you can get around that by massing alts! I have 1 main and 4 alts, so 10 retainers to sell crap!
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    The $18 outfits are usually the Chinese and Korean exclusives. Others range from $5 for seasonal pieces to $12~$15 for the NPC/special event outfits.
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    As long as the items on the cash shop are not required to be optimal (P2W) and the cash shop keeps to itself, I'm satisfied.

    People can say what they want about games that require a sub, but I know where I stand - games that make subs "optional" get really obnoxious and annoying about advertising their microtransactions in-game.

    It's one of the primary reasons I quit ESO. As soon as you log in...Crap mount for sale! BUY NOW! Limited time only! Only $19.99! I can't do this all day!

    Meanwhile, the Mog Station is a website which can't be accessed in-game. It's refreshing.
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    I think it's simple, don't buy it. Sooner or later they will see if it's profitable and change accordingly.

    But I agree, this is greedy and bad for the game as a whole .
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    As long as the items on the cash shop are not required to be optimal (P2W) and the cash shop keeps to itself, I'm satisfied.

    People can say what they want about games that require a sub, but I know where I stand - games that make subs "optional" get really obnoxious and annoying about advertising their microtransactions in-game.

    It's one of the primary reasons I quit ESO. As soon as you log in...Crap mount for sale! BUY NOW! Limited time only! Only $19.99! I can't do this all day!

    Meanwhile, the Mog Station is a website which can't be accessed in-game. It's refreshing.
    Agreed. I'd rather play a game with the security of a sub like FFXIV, or even WoW - for all WoW is they still release new content (whether it's good content is another story) regularly to the game. FFXIV always releases new things (again can debate on quality) at a MUCH higher, regular schedule than most other MMORPGS out there, in my opinion. This is a problem with live service games which have co-opted a system similar to that of an mmorpg, but with the 'promise' of new content - content in which has frequent delays, or doesn't come out alltogether.

    If a sub isn't required then publishers/devs aren't held to a higher standard, in my opinion.
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    I personally view the optional items as a way I can further support the game and developers outside of paying my subscription. I love FFXIV, and I want it to remain successful and continue on throughout the years. The simple fact in this day and age is that if a game isn't providing enough revenue to a company then eventually it's going to die off because while the developers and creators may have passion and love for what they are creating, the overarching company and stock holders only really care about the bottom line.

    Since I have pretty limited funds I keep a general rule for myself that each month I allow myself to buy one optional item from the store. That way I feel like I can give a little extra thank you to a game I love so much and get something for myself that makes me happy, it's really a win-win.
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    I say this in every thread like this and I'll say it again: the outfits and mounts that we get (that are not tied to seasonal events/fanfests) are from the China and/or Korean version of FFXIV, which is run differently than ours. They have to pay for these items over there, we requested them, so now we're getting them, and we have to pay as well.

    The only thing I wish they would do differently is allow the seasonal event items to be purchasable ingame once a year when that event comes around again. If you missed the event and don't want to wait a whole year, then buy it off the Mogstation. If not, then just get it when it comes around again.
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