WHM and Holy

[Uriko]

Having just got Holy recently, I've been wondering how other WHMs are using this (if they are).

I'm guessing you're meant to use it when you're low on MP and in a tight spot but after using it a few times it just doesn't seem all that useful. The damage (considering it uses all your remaining MP) wasn't anything special, even when I tried using it on full MP. I was hitting around 1400 with it on lv48 monsters (at 50CNJ/WHM).

Is there a use for this that I'm missing? I'm just interested in seeing how other people are using the spell.

[Ryuko]

I like to help someone kill a difficult NM and then, at the very last moment, when it's almost dead... run in and have the killing blow with Holy... That's the only use I see, really... especially since it takes all of your mana. It seems more like a 'fun' ability than anything, and that's sort of how it was in FFXI too (although it didn't drain all of your mp).

I'm not exactly complaining, though. Our other new abilities are pretty damn awesome.

[Estellios]

It's useful to toss out when you're at low MP and have some kind of MP recovery ability ready, since the damage is high and you only need 280 minimum MP i believe, or at least the help says it costs 280 MP. I haven't been too low on MP with Regen around

Aside from that, it's essentially your emergency escape. You can't recover MP while you're being attacked and since your MP is low already this gives you a means to get out of that situation.

[Mychael]

I like to help someone kill a difficult NM and then, at the very last moment, when it's almost dead... run in and have the killing blow with Holy... That's the only use I see, really... especially since it takes all of your mana. It seems more like a 'fun' ability than anything, and that's sort of how it was in FFXI too (although it didn't drain all of your mp).

I'm not exactly complaining, though. Our other new abilities are pretty damn awesome.

Holy was actually somewhat powerful in XI... it didn't do anything "special" (damage-wise) because it didn't consume your entire MP pool. It was high-cost and what we thought was a long recast, but in XIV it wipes MP and has an even longer recast. @_@;



It seems like the "Holy" we've been given is simply an ability for when we're solo and need to run away?! THM/BLM can bind better with blizzara without a full MP wipe--no reason in a party. But I thought jobs were supposed to be FOR PARTY PLAY? ; ; Also, as I understand it, the damage on Holy is negligible as well. A full MP wipe should be part of Benediction if anything... not our only defense against a horde of mobs. (Read: d e f e n s e. Does not include offensive spells, I'm aware of aerora/stonera. Holy seems more suited to running away than for attacking.) If you want an ability for "OMG I'VE LET MY ENTIRE PARTY DIE, NOW I NEED TO RUN AWAY!" situations, that's fine, but please don't give it the name "Holy," which I've associated with powerful light-based attacks?

[Atoli]

I use Holy as a finisher. It took me a while to figure out about how mamy HP a group of monsters may have left but it's pretty useful if timed right
Also, Holy-bombing is pretty effective; have 8 white mages all with Holy and MP reg ability ready and most mobs don't stand a chance (except for bigger bosses).

[Estellios]

@Mychael: Holy is actually quite strong, even without Cleric stance up and wearing WHM AF I was doing around 1.1k damage to the Stronghold enemies I was fighting. My Stonera gets up to 1.3k on the same enemies but that's at the end of its combo, with Cleric Stance, 282 INT, and 470ish Magic attack from my CNJ solo gear. I need to see how much damage it does with my CNJ solo gear.

[Catapult]

Is it possible some enemies can be weak to holy, such as the undead and voidsent present in Darkhold?

[Asiaine]

Hello,

So far Holy does not appear to do much damage when compared to BLM magic attack spells. So perhaps it is not meant to be used in this manner?

The real only advantage I can see it having is if it is indeed used in a situation where there are a lot of skeletons? Perhaps when they come charging out in defense of Batraal, a well timed Holy might stop them .. teehhe.. dead... in their tracks ^.^;

I think this is the only spell that affects creatures that are 'weak' to Light/Holy.

[Uriko]

Thanks for the answers, it does look pretty limited in its use. I suppose if you have Fully Blissful Mind and Shroud of Saints ready then the MP hit isn't as bad but it still seems very situational.

[Estellios]

Holy proved to be useful yesterday... doing the BLM final AF quest we got ridiculously unlucky with 4/5 blms standing slightly too close to the boss and getting stunned, resulting in them all getting murdered by the lanterns. I ran up, Holy'd to kill them while the other whm healed, I recovered w/ Blissful mind and Shroud of Saints, Presence of Mind > Raise x2. When the next set of wisps appeared the other WHM did the same, followed by more raises.

We actually managed to turn that fight around for an astonishing win thanks to Holy.