Let's Talk

[galbsadi]

You know what happens when I do 8 man or 24 man content through the Duty Finder? I end up being the only healer in the content. Technically, there are 1-5 more healers depending on the content. But you know what? I'm lucky if one of those healers throws up a regen or resurrects somebody that died... Most of the time I'm solo healing the content and bodies are dropping on the floor. I'm ONE person. I cannot heal everybody at once. The game wasn't designed this way...

If bodies are actually dropping on the floor for reasons other than not doing mechanics, this might be true. More likely, however, is that somebody is doing something stupid and dying to that....and as far as a regen being the majority of healing...the game very much IS designed this way. I've solo-healed most casual content in the game with little more than oGCDs. Of course, I'm also wearing more than i290 gear, so that might be the difference.

I don't know what I can do to change this community for the better, but something has to give. This community is toxic towards healers and it is scaring new players away from healing. The mentality in this game has to change.

Ironically, this post is one of the most toxic one's I've seen yet today.

But the next time you are doing content through the duty finder... Heal... The healing numbers need to go WAYYYYY up. Stop complaining about healer dps changes in SHB, because nobody is healing to begin with in SB. At least not in my data center and I doubt my data center is different from the others..

Thanks for the toxicity. Also, if healing heavily was actually required, you wouldn't really see the complaints about healer DPS being fubar. The problem is that it's NOT heavily required, so healer DPS becomes the way to not stand there pressing one button repeatedly.

Gotta get those healing numbers wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy up before this community really has a right to complain about dps changes in SHB.

Wrong.

This isn't a matter of healer dps. This is a matter of lack of heals. There needs to be a balance between healing and dpsing as a healer. This is something this community really needs to work on.

Eh, while there are certainly some who can improve, I disagree.

Let's start fresh with SHB and not bring the SB toxicity into the new expac! A lot of people would greatly appreciate this!

I think this is a fantastic idea. Please start by dropping your own toxicity.

P.S. If you find healing boring, then play a different job. Healing is not a job that is meant for everybody. It's the only job in this game that requires you to know everything about everything. If you don't know everything about everything, then picking a ranged/caster dps job to main would probably be best.

I thought I said drop the toxicity? Here you are being a living breathing example of what you're whining about. Stop trolling.

edit: Also, fun fact...looked you up on FFLogs to see if there was something that might be leading to your complaints, but it seems that you haven't regularly cleared anything current to endgame players, even at the casual level, because there are literally zero logs for you for anything in SB as any role.

[LadyKairi]

You know, when I actively do help heal in casual content, my cohealer causes me to overheal. What they don’t seem to understand is people don’t have to be at 100% health 100% of the time. I put up regens to take care of people, cohealer tops them up unnecessarily. Oh and my favorite! When I place my Earthly Star and they top everyone up and completely waste it, making it a dps skill that over heals a lot.

If you are going to completely waste my efforts TO help heal and act like you wanna heal all of the damage, I’m gonna focus on doing damage. Don’t like it? I suggest learning how to properly heal cooperatively.

[Beelhi]

Yeah, no. If my co-healer spams heals every time someone takes minimal damage I'm not healing unless there is heavy damage coming in. If i put a regen up and after 3-4 times I see them using a direct heal on a tank with 90%HP then I'll stop. I'm not gonna waste my mana only for it to turn into massive overheals. I rather spend that mana on dps.

I bet you also think that because you're low on mana you're doing all the work ey?

Read your co-healer. If you see them dpsing alot and you're more into healing, take on the healing role. Unless something goes really bad you don't even need two healers. I have solo healed current 24 man raids when a healer left and no replacement showed up until the last boss. We don't need more healing. The content isn't designed that way but I can tell you that most healers would love there to be more healing required.

[Cyrocco]

If I see someone on their Cure-III Mega Deluxe X Ultra Finishing Heal Combo 0.2 Stand: The Holy Healing, I’m gonna DPS.

Gotta get those healing numbers wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy up before this community really has a right to complain about dps changes in SHB.

Do you...know how easy it is to overheal? Raidwide damage is nearly nonexistent, so it just comes down to an AoE regen between these attacks or just casting an Indom and boom, you’re set until the next raidwide in a minute or so.

Healing is not a job that is meant for everybody. It's the only job in this game that requires you to know everything about everything. If you don't know everything about everything, then picking a ranged/caster dps job to main would probably be best.

This is false.

[Raven89]

So I should just dps for an entire raid. My co-healer should just dps for an entire raid. That's basically what this community is advocating. Don't throw up any regens. Don't do any healing. Just dps for every trial, and raid that comes along. Because that's what my experience in this game has been for the past freaking month. Healers that only want to dps and not help out with any of the healing. Which means I have to do all the healing, or the group wipes. It's alright if we wipe continually? Right guys? Just want to get this on record. The healing community supports wiping groups, because everybody wants to prioritize dpsing over healing. I'm not saying you can't dps. I'm just saying you need to throw up some heals too... Literally ANY heals would be a help...

All I'm asking for is a little help. Ya know? Throw up a regen every now and then. I don't think this is too much to ask for. This community makes me want to quit healing. Although, I have been considering not healing dead weight healers. So I might actually start doing this. Considering how this community is acting... I hope SHB is a wake up call. At least white mages will be forced to throw up three heals before they can use their big dps nuke. That's three more heals than I'm getting now. So I guess that's a step in the right direction...

[Sebazy]

The healing community supports wiping groups, because everybody wants to prioritize dpsing over healing. I'm not saying you can't dps. I'm just saying you need to throw up some heals too... Literally ANY heals would be a help...

Again, I honestly think this is more of a problem with your perception of what's happening than an issue of typical 24 man healers DPSing too much.

I really can't stress it enough. Either log your run and simply have a look back through to see what's really going on, or record yourself with Shadowplay or OBS etc.

The only person who's going to open your eyes as to what's really happening here is yourself. Your post makes that much evident.

[Cyrocco]

So I should just dps for an entire raid. My co-healer should just dps for an entire raid. That's basically what this community is advocating. Don't throw up any regens. Don't do any healing. Just dps for every trial, and raid that comes along. Because that's what my experience in this game has been for the past freaking month. Healers that only want to dps and not help out with any of the healing. Which means I have to do all the healing, or the group wipes. It's alright if we wipe continually? Right guys? Just want to get this on record. The healing community supports wiping groups, because everybody wants to prioritize dpsing over healing.

1.) Throwing up regens is basic, if a healer's not doing that, you have a bad healer, not a DPS-happy healer.

2.) Lots of content barely needs any healing.

3.) If you enjoy healing so much what does it matter if you're the only one healing and you still clear the raid?

The healers you're raging at aren't here. Most, if not all the healers in the Pro-DPS camp support active DPSing because otherwise healers just sit there and look pretty. Shadowbringer won't change that, we'll still be DPSing.

[Alathon]

You know what happens when I do 8 man or 24 man content through the Duty Finder? I end up being the only healer in the content. Technically, there are 1-5 more healers depending on the content. But you know what? I'm lucky if one of those healers throws up a regen or resurrects somebody that died... Most of the time I'm solo healing the content and bodies are dropping on the floor. I'm ONE person. I cannot heal everybody at once. The game wasn't designed this way...

I don't know what I can do to change this community for the better, but something has to give. This community is toxic towards healers and it is scaring new players away from healing. The mentality in this game has to change.

But the next time you are doing content through the duty finder... Heal... The healing numbers need to go WAYYYYY up. Stop complaining about healer dps changes in SHB, because nobody is healing to begin with in SB. At least not in my data center and I doubt my data center is different from the others..

Gotta get those healing numbers wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy up before this community really has a right to complain about dps changes in SHB.

This isn't a matter of healer dps. This is a matter of lack of heals. There needs to be a balance between healing and dpsing as a healer. This is something this community really needs to work on.

Let's start fresh with SHB and not bring the SB toxicity into the new expac! A lot of people would greatly appreciate this!

P.S. If you find healing boring, then play a different job. Healing is not a job that is meant for everybody. It's the only job in this game that requires you to know everything about everything. If you don't know everything about everything, then picking a ranged/caster dps job to main would probably be best.

You say "let's talk", well, how about you listen. "Healer" and "Tank" classes which are not pigeonholed into doing nothing but heal or tank are a great improvement in FFXIV on the usual MMO crap. They create a virtuous cycle in which the better the party plays, the less damage they take, the more they can focus on offense and win faster.

The fights in this game are for the most part so easy that less than half of a healer's time need be spent casting heals if his party is vaguely competent. "Healers" who utilize their spare non-healing time to help with the fight are doing it right. As for your claim to being "the only healer" all the time, I see that sort of play maybe... once a month. Tops. You're exaggerating.

[HyoMinPark]

So I should just dps for an entire raid. My co-healer should just dps for an entire raid. That's basically what this community is advocating. Don't throw up any regens. Don't do any healing. Just dps for every trial, and raid that comes along.

I think what this community is advocating is to work WITH your co-healers—not invalidate their efforts and turn their HoTs into overheals 90% of the time. They aren’t advocating to never heal, so if you honestly think that, you clearly aren’t reading the responses given to you.

Because that's what my experience in this game has been for the past freaking month. Healers that only want to dps and not help out with any of the healing. Which means I have to do all the healing, or the group wipes. It's alright if we wipe continually? Right guys? Just want to get this on record. The healing community supports wiping groups, because everybody wants to prioritize dpsing over healing. I'm not saying you can't dps. I'm just saying you need to throw up some heals too... Literally ANY heals would be a help...

You’re either exaggerating in the amount of bad co-healers you get, or in the amount of work you have to put out. In all trials and raids, damage is 100% scripted. Meaning, if you know a fight well enough, you can time your heals to only heal when necessary, which is what healing is about in this game.

If you are causing your co-healer to massively overheal, that may be why they aren’t healing at all. Why waste the MP if their efforts are going to be invalidated? Especially if they’re an AST, since we have enough MP issues as it is. I like to get my MP’s worth out of my heals when I use them—not have them be complete overheals because my co-healer is way too concerned with making sure everyone is topped off all the time and has 100% Medica II uptime. Unfortunately, WHM/AST does not synergize well in terms of healing, as Assize and Earthly Star are always going to be tripping over each other if used on CD.

All I'm asking for is a little help. Ya know? Throw up a regen every now and then. I don't think this is too much to ask for. This community makes me want to quit healing. Although, I have been considering not healing dead weight healers. So I might actually start doing this. Considering how this community is acting... I hope SHB is a wake up call. At least white mages will be forced to throw up three heals before they can use their big dps nuke. That's three more heals than I'm getting now. So I guess that's a step in the right direction...

It’s unlikely that the amount of outgoing damage is going to increase significantly in ShB. Considering this community asks for MSQ solo instances to be nerfed, I doubt anything outside of Savage and Ultimate raids will be as demanding as you are saying it should be.

I’m also not a fan of having to spam heals simply for the sake of spamming heals. I like managing both healing and damage.

[Ilenya]

I'm starting to wonder if they are mostly teamed with SCH who as a whole don't cast time too many heals...And I wonder how many end up with wasted Excogs because the tank keeps being healed to max while it's on.