Let's Talk

[Raven89]

You know what happens when I do 8 man or 24 man content through the Duty Finder? I end up being the only healer in the content. Technically, there are 1-5 more healers depending on the content. But you know what? I'm lucky if one of those healers throws up a regen or resurrects somebody that died... Most of the time I'm solo healing the content and bodies are dropping on the floor. I'm ONE person. I cannot heal everybody at once. The game wasn't designed this way...

I don't know what I can do to change this community for the better, but something has to give. This community is toxic towards healers and it is scaring new players away from healing. The mentality in this game has to change.

But the next time you are doing content through the duty finder... Heal... The healing numbers need to go WAYYYYY up. Stop complaining about healer dps changes in SHB, because nobody is healing to begin with in SB. At least not in my data center and I doubt my data center is different from the others..

Gotta get those healing numbers wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy up before this community really has a right to complain about dps changes in SHB.

This isn't a matter of healer dps. This is a matter of lack of heals. There needs to be a balance between healing and dpsing as a healer. This is something this community really needs to work on.

Let's start fresh with SHB and not bring the SB toxicity into the new expac! A lot of people would greatly appreciate this!

P.S. If you find healing boring, then play a different job. Healing is not a job that is meant for everybody. It's the only job in this game that requires you to know everything about everything. If you don't know everything about everything, then picking a ranged/caster dps job to main would probably be best.

[Thoosa]

IMO healing is the hardest job in the game - not only do you have to pay attention to what’s going on around you, you have to actually be on it, whereas a dps can just do the rotation and go afk for half the fight and no one notices (all except savage of course).

I hope in Shadowbringers that healers get more of a healing identity, in that they are a healer primarily with some dps abilities, rather than a dps with healing abilities (which it feels a bit like currently, outside of savage), but unless they tweak the damage handed out in regular content i don’t know how this will work?

I don’t feel that in 8 or 24 content that currently bad healers are a regular thing though.

[Sebazy]

You know what happens when I do 8 man or 24 man content through the Duty Finder? I end up being the only healer in the content.

At least as far as 24 man goes. I usually find it's just healers either wasting GCDs with unnecessary heals, or they just aren't doing anything for a healthy chunk of the time. It's not that often that I find a healer out DPSing me in 24 mans whilst not contributing healing.

Consider logging or recording your runs and taking a closer look at what your co healer is doing in hindsight. I think you'll find it's generally not a DPS issue, just a skill and active rate problem.

[althenawhm]

At least as far as 24 man goes. I usually find it's just healers either wasting GCDs with unnecessary heals, or they just aren't doing anything for a healthy chunk of the time.

This, THIS
We dont need an AoE regen/shield right now, so why do you keep using it, and only it?
Way too many healers in the 24 mans just sit around for 30 seconds then toss of a Medica 2 or Succor.

[LariaKirin]

It's very tempting and easy to blame your co-healer, isn't it? After all, you know what you're casting. If you can't keep up, it must be because your co-healer isn't doing anything, right?

In 24-man content in particular, no, you are not solo healing. Your AoE heals do not extend to the other parties. So unless they drop immediately while your party is perfectly healthy, they're doing something. Here's what happens:

- People fail mechanics all the time
- People fail consecutive mechanics all the time
- People overlap mechanics all the time, killing each other
- People are disorganised, half of them standing all the way to Narnia, 15 yalms out of your healing range

The healing in this content is not that intensive. I'd suggest you look at what happens around you, rather than staring at the HP bars. You'll get a better picture and you'll find that not everything is due to lack of healing.

If people are not coming to the hospital, you do not send an ambulance to deliver their daily pill.

[CorbinDallas]

Stop overhealing and wasting my Whispering Dawn/Excogitation/insertotherefficientheals, then I might actually consider helping out. If you're gonna sit and spam Medica/Cure 2 after every mechanic you may as well solo heal, we don't need that much healing in casual content.

[EaMett]

Stop overhealing and wasting my Whispering Dawn/Excogitation/insertotherefficientheals, then I might actually consider helping out. If you're gonna sit and spam Medica/Cure 2 after every mechanic you may as well solo heal, we don't need that much healing in casual content.

This is a big part of it. Not only in PF but also pug DF. An annoying number of healers just heal the second life drops or just completely crush my HoTs. When this happens I just let the other healer carry the party and pitch in if anything crazy happens. Heal -before- the next damage comes in, not after the curent damage just hit.

Also, I haven't experienced what the OP is talking about. But I track the healing and damage done and like Sebazy said, it's often a skill issue or laziness (people afking because they're tired of the content). Hardly ever someone going all out on dps.

[loreleidiangelo]

At least as far as 24 man goes. I usually find it's just healers either wasting GCDs with unnecessary heals, or they just aren't doing anything for a healthy chunk of the time. It's not that often that I find a healer out DPSing me in 24 mans whilst not contributing healing.

Consider logging or recording your runs and taking a closer look at what your co healer is doing in hindsight. I think you'll find it's generally not a DPS issue, just a skill and active rate problem.

Basically this. If you're obsessing over somebody sitting at 50% HP and the SCH is still spamming Broil it might just be because they know the player isn't in immediate danger and are letting Eos patch them up. Logs will show this for the most part. Alternately, they know you're heal sniping anyway so why waste the Lustrate cast on some overheal when they could just pop Energy Drain for DPS.

If a player has crap CPM they won't magically be better at healing than they are at healing and DPSing, IMO.

[HyoMinPark]

Stop overhealing and wasting my Whispering Dawn/Excogitation/insertotherefficientheals, then I might actually consider helping out. If you're gonna sit and spam Medica/Cure 2 after every mechanic you may as well solo heal, we don't need that much healing in casual content.

Yeah, I generally stop healing because my co-healer wastes all my healing efforts.

Cast Medica II/Aspected Helios for the HoTs after a raidwide? Co-healer uses Indom or Medica II x2 + Plenary Indulence.
Use Collective Unconscious for the HoT after a raidwide? Same thing.

I won’t have a 70% overheal because my co-healer insists on healing everyone up to 100% instead of letting regens do the work (the party will be fine—I promise you), so I just stop healing at that point... My MP is better spent elsewhere.

[Knoahl]

P.S. If you find healing boring, then play a different job. Healing is not a job that is meant for everybody. It's the only job in this game that requires you to know everything about everything. If you don't know everything about everything, then picking a ranged/caster dps job to main would probably be best.

Aren't you being a tad hypocritical here? You are telling people not to tell others how to heal, yet you are also telling them how to play and saying we shouldn't be toxic. In essence you are doing exactly what you are accusing others of.

Offence is a form of defence, defence can be a good offence, there is no reason to lecture anyone on their approach, we also should not be taking away from either side who chooses to play how they are comfortable, dpsing or not. You need to ask people to be more open minded and accepting, not tell people to change jobs from something they have been encouraged to do since FFXIV's inception.