Rework the market system to allow purchase offer listings and eliminate undercutting

[Killersai]

I don't really see a need to rework the market system as it is now. If someone undercuts you just wait for the item to sell or lower your price. It's all up to what the individual wants to do and I personally enjoy that freedom.

undercutting is when you list something for 5000 and someone puts the same item at 4999 so it appears right above yours.

[MarniDawg]

undercutting is when you list something for 5000 and someone puts the same item at 4999 so it appears right above yours.

Yeah I know what it is. So you just wait for the item to sell or lower your price to match. Why is that so hard?

[Killersai]

Yeah I know what it is. So you just wait for the item to sell or lower your price to match. Why is that so hard?

you must not sell many things to understand the annoyance that is. OSRS doesn't have this problem and their market is still 100% player driven. a vastly superior market system. if you played it you'd agree. anyone that has played both this and OSRS would agree OSRS has the superior market system by a longshot.

[Alucard135]

undercutting is when you list something for 5000 and someone puts the same item at 4999 so it appears right above yours.

Which is a perfectly fine thing to do. If they have time to stick to the market board to undercut everyone to ensure their product is being sold, then they deserve it.

Now if we're to bring bots to the equation, then it's not a fault of the market board system itself. But SE's fault for their lack of action against them.

[MarniDawg]

you must not sell many things to understand the annoyance that is. OSRS doesn't have this problem and their market is still 100% player driven. a vastly superior market system. if you played it you'd agree. anyone that has played both this and OSRS would agree OSRS has the superior market system by a longshot.

I've sold enough to outfit myself for raiding and to buy a house. Why does it matter how much I sell as long as I make enough gil to buy the things I want?

[NessaWyvern]

My argument isn't invalid because I said that if they wanted it to be like other games then they would have made it like those games. If the MB is a direct copy of WoW's AH then obviously they wanted to be like WoW. Not Runescape or Guild Wars, etc.

Games can always change their system to make it better for their players. Do you think OSRS always had the grand exchange?
No! Players used to have to trade with each other directly and shout their wares outside banks.
The devs changed it and made a very good and easy to use system.
FFXIV can always change theirs to make the market more fair and easier to use.
One of the main reasons why 1.0 failed is because the devs didn't look at how other games were doing things better.

[Killersai]

Which is a perfectly fine thing to do. If they have time to stick to the market board to undercut everyone to ensure their product is being sold, then they deserve it.

Now if we're to bring bots to the equation, then it's not a fault of the market board system itself. But SE's fault for their lack of action against them.

Changing the market to match osrs's Grand exchange would eliminate the ability for bots and players both from continuing this sleazy practice. You want your item to sell quickly, you list it below the algorithmically determined average (as dictated by how players are buying and selling them, again to reiterate so some of you smart ones don't assume i mean SE is setting market averages again) and guess what, it almost always sells instantly because players also have the ability to put up buy offers and wait for a purchase to come in much like someone putting up a sale and waiting for the sale to go through.

[Killersai]

I've sold enough to outfit myself for raiding and to buy a house. Why does it matter how much I sell as long as I make enough gil to buy the things I want?

If you're content with mediocrity then that's good for you. Let people that care to have a superior market system have a superior market system.

[Joven]

Games can always change their system to make it better for their players. Do you think OSRS always had the grand exchange?
No! Players used to have to trade with each other directly and shout their wares outside banks.
The devs changed it and made a very good and easy to use system.
FFXIV can always change theirs to make the market more fair and easier to use.
One of the main reasons why 1.0 failed is because the devs didn't look at how other games were doing things better.

And as I said, the MB is the least of their concerns. It's not game breaking by any stretch of the imagination just because someone is willing to take a few gil less than you to make a sale.

[MarniDawg]

If you're content with mediocrity then that's good for you. Let people that care to have a superior market system have a superior market system.

But I don't think what you are suggesting is superior to what we have now.