Going to the same route as WoW. The game is TOO easy

[Fynlar]

And Mr. Happy is just full of himself. But I'm 100% sure he was perfect at everything in this game the very first day he started playing ffxiv.

Are you going to back any of that up, or are you just throwing that out because slandering this guy is the cool and hip thing to do around here?

His statement is 100% accurate and many people on this forum, myself included, have admitted to thinking the same. That still isn't the same as putting down newer players for being new, thinking that you have the only correct way to do a raid encounter (in fact he usually says specifically as a disclaimer in almost every one of his ex/savage guides something along the lines of "this is just how we did it, it is not the only way, and probably isn't even the best way"), or any such similar "full of themselves" behavior.

[RowanLauron]

The entire point of a game like this is to relax and enjoy. If you're not getting enjoyment because of a lack of "challenging content" then try a different game. This game has more to offer than just hard raid encounters. Majority of players don't do Savage or ultimate raids, and this game has never claimed it's to be a MDI/world first race type of game. Even yoshi-p has stated he expects people to take breaks. The game is intended to be played, but not excessively.

[LiteBrite]

Are you going to back any of that up, or are you just throwing that out because slandering this guy is the cool and hip thing to do around here?

His statement is 100% accurate and many people on this forum, myself included, have admitted to thinking the same. That still isn't the same as putting down newer players for being new, thinking that you have the only correct way to do a raid encounter (in fact he usually says specifically as a disclaimer in almost every one of his ex/savage guides something along the lines of "this is just how we did it, it is not the only way, and probably isn't even the best way"), or any such similar "full of themselves" behavior.

100% accurate? It's his opinion not fact. But It's okie dokie for him to be condescending and slander ffxiv players with a pathetic cheap shot like that. And the elitists "cool and hip thing to do" is to come on these forums and slander ffxiv players that you think that aren't good enough for your standards and bully them with YOUR opinion. But that's ok...

[Fynlar]

100% accurate? It's his opinion not fact.

Some people finding a class too difficult/complex for them no matter how simplified it is (or becomes later on) is something that has been demonstratively shown time and time again, and not even just limited to this game. It is not a matter of opinion; it has happened and will continue to happen.

But It's okie dokie for him to be condescending and slander ffxiv players with a pathetic cheap shot like that.

That actually isn't what he (or I) is doing, that's just YOUR interpretation of it.

Some people are, objectively, not good at playing a game. It's up to them whether they want to take that as an insult to their character, or as something to rise up on and improve from.

[Camiie]

IDK if this will be popular here, but just a quick glance at the front page of general discussion shows how far away from the original idea XIV has gone.

There is virtually no challenge outside of savage raids. There is little community aspect since everything is instanced, and people are far more concerned with minions and mounts that discussing battle strategies, since none is required.

I'm pretty old now I guess. I came up on EQ, played XI for 5 years and started XIV on 1.0. I played XIV now on and off. I resubbed this month with the expansion hype, but leveling my AST I found myself asking why. I mean, healing is no challenge what so ever. I'm mostly spamming my DD spells.

This is just venting, i suppose, but after seeing a lot of WoW refugee threads and videos I couldn't help but thinking XIV is heading in the same direction.

I, myself, will probably buckle and get the expansion, but I will 100% be playing Classic in Aug. and Pantheon whenever that comes out.

TLDR: The challenge is gone and with it the community.

If you up the difficulty the community will be at each other's throats because you'll end up with more failure and more wipes. People already have meltdowns when something goes wrong. Are you prepared for more of that?

[Crystal_Raven]

If you up the difficulty the community will be at each other's throats because you'll end up with more failure and more wipes. People already have meltdowns when something goes wrong. Are you prepared for more of that?

You have to admit, it's pretty amazing that people still somehow manage to mess up anything below Extreme.

[Camiie]

You have to admit, it's pretty amazing that people still somehow manage to mess up anything below Extreme.

I don't have to admit that at all. There's any number of reasons someone might mess something up. I know I do, and better players than me (of which there are many) manage to do it as well. My point is, if you make the game harder you're going to have to put up with more failure, not less, as some seem to believe. If everyone clamouring for more difficulty is planning to become more patient then fine, have at it. I don't want to see anyone going on any more orange text tirades if this comes to pass or rage quitting after a wipe or two. People who want the game to be harder need to be willing to reap all that they sow, good and bad.

[Vahlnir]

I don't have to admit that at all. There's any number of reasons someone might mess something up. I know I do, and better players than me (of which there are many) manage to do it as well. My point is, if you make the game harder you're going to have to put up with more failure, not less, as some seem to believe. If everyone clamouring for more difficulty is planning to become more patient then fine, have at it. I don't want to see anyone going on any more orange text tirades if this comes to pass or rage quitting after a wipe or two. People who want the game to be harder need to be willing to reap all that they sow, good and bad.

Yeah, agreed. Personally, I don't mind that FF XIV is a pretty casual MMO in regards to overall difficulty. Shadowbringers isn't really going to change that. I wouldn't even say the game will get easier because of it. The game isn't hard to begin with, period. After playing other MMOs much more intense and grindy than this over the years I feel like this is a good place for me to be. By MMO standards I'd probably be considered "old". Thankfully Extreme, Savage and Ultimate exist to cater to those seeking a bit more of a challenge. I dabble in Extremes mostly, though that's usually 2-3 maybe more per expansion since ARR. But that's more than enough challenge for me. I'm content to play my job well, get some fancy stuff and enjoy the ride.

[Mistyregions]

If you up the difficulty the community will be at each other's throats because you'll end up with more failure and more wipes. People already have meltdowns when something goes wrong. Are you prepared for more of that?

I am, I imagine it will push people out who are both toxic and unskilled at the same time.

You know some people are born mechanical engineers and are great at it and get paid mad money for it, and some people can't hold a job because the timer on the fryer on macdonalds is to hard to grasp, and get paid minimum wage for minimum skill.

We dont dumb down mechanical engineering so a unskilled person can do it. We dont increase the fry cooks paycheck to the mechanical engineer, that solves nothing, creates resentment and more problems.

That's life yo, not everything need to be handicapped accessible. There is a line in the sand you dont cross otherwise you end up like World of Warcraft. They crossed it.

They started putting in wheelchair mounts at the theme park, and removing regular seats for the sake of "accessibility "sometimes..the general population of people in wheelchairs cant access the same stuff as normal people.

That's the line, the game may never be accessible to everyone and that's ok, keep the game fun and interesting for the audience you have and maintain the company. That's life and the way the cookie crumbles. You can straw man my argument or scream at me, or call me names. That is just not the way life works and it cannot change in the near future no matter how much you try to push unrealistic expectations and slander the reality of life.

TLDR some people are born unskilled and they can't play the game. Also side note as person who was in a wheelchair this, is not an attack.

[Raikai]

The game too easy? By what standards, lol?

I find normal pve modes quite challenging to the casual player to be honest, given the sheer number of mechanics that happens in the fights.

Every job has a layer of complexity that makes it difficult to master. It's not easy to play any job to its full potential. Even RDM.

The MSQ solo-instanced fights sometimes can prove to be challenging if all you expect is to mash a button and win.

There are deep dungeons in this game that are hard to complete the "past-average levels" let alone you trying to solo.

24-man raid don't have different difficulties, but they are usually challenging because you depend on a lot of people doing stuff right. Granted, that is not a pve-inherited hardship, but that's what you have to work with if you want to clear it.

And lastly, like other players mentioned, you can always go the Exteme / Savage / Ultimate modes if you want something to chew on.