Tanks and spam windows

[Big-Isaac]

As of ShB, 75% of the tanks (i.e. all of them sans GNB) have mechanics that lead to windows where you spam the same button multiple times

- PLD still has Req into HS, but now also gets RA into Atonement x3
- WAR still has IR into Fel Cleave
- DRK has the reworked Delirium, which has you spam either Bloodspiller or Quietus

What I'm wondering is... why? Do people really like these types of spam windows or something? Speaking for myself, I got over the hype of Req>HS pretty quickly at the start of SB. There's just nothing special about popping a CD and then hammering the same button for 10ish seconds.

The ironic thing about the DRK change in particular is that in SB, I actually found dropping a Quietus or a DA Dark Passenger on a big trash pack significantly more satisfying than spamming HS in single target on my PLD.
It has a niche crunchy feeling to it, and it's over long before it can get boring or stale.

IMO, if the mechanics worked differently to where you take all the damage from those 3-6 hits and instead packed them into one giant ass Fel Cleave, Holy Spirit or Bloodspiller, it would feel far more satisfying. Make it so it requires a fair amount of setup, so it doesn't start feeling routine, and let you drop a nuke when the conditions are right

What do you think?

[Jandor]

Dark Knights inner delirium is rubbish, just a boring hit button x5 ability. Brain-dead way of adding burst to the job I guess.

Paladin at least mixes it up by having ranged cleaves and flicking back and forth between magic and physical bursts.

On the whole, I'm sick of spam windows.

[gman1311]

I find the spam window fun,but thats just me.

[DRKoftheAzure]

10 seconds of pressing 1 button 5 times in single target gets boring really fast... only WAR should have that... DRK doesn't need it, in fact you could make Dark Arts into a burst window that lets you press 6 combo action buttons with 200-300 additional potency on all spells and weapon and it would actually look way better than Fell Cleave spam...

[Kalise]

Do people really like these types of spam windows or something?

Some people actually seem to.

I've seen some responses on these forums where people expressed that they specifically love to spam one skill over and over, so long as that skill is putting up big numbers.

Heck, some people want more of it, like apparently some Samurai want to be able to just spam Midare Setsugekka all the time.

I don't understand the appeal myself. It's not fun, its not interactive and after a short while the novelty wears off...

What do you think?

I think it comes down to them wanting all Tanks to be able to burst. Since one of the things that's making Warrior meta is that they can capitalize better on burst windows and are less affected by boss downtime which is giving them higher DPS in encounters (While on paper, all Tanks are equal, if not DRK/PLD being able to get ahead of Warrior)

So, the solution they came up with, was to not remove Trick Attack - The major issue making burst windows exist (Also, making NIN a "Mandatory" job in compositions). Not to stop designing encounters with forced downtime due to phase transitions - The major issue that neuters sustained DPS. Not to tweak Inner Release so that it was less potent and shift Warrior's damage to being more spread throughout their kit (So EVERY attack feels chunkier and good to use, rather than 5 attacks per 90s...)

No, their solution was to Ctrl-C Ctrl-V on Inner Release.

So now we have Inner Release, Holy Release and Dark Release. So everyone can ungabunga all day every day! Yaaaaay...

In before 6.0 when we get Gun Release and GNB gets a completely new and never before seen mechanic in which they spam a skill 5 times in a row after using a CD! Wow, so new, much innovate!

[DRKoftheAzure]

Some people actually seem to.

I've seen some responses on these forums where people expressed that they specifically love to spam one skill over and over, so long as that skill is putting up big numbers.

Heck, some people want more of it, like apparently some Samurai want to be able to just spam Midare Setsugekka all the time.

They should be playing BLM instead if that's the case...

[Gruntler]

No, their solution was to Ctrl-C Ctrl-V on Inner Release.

Holy Spirit spam came first.

What's next 'dark knight stole warrior's gap closer'?

'paladin stole warrior's aoe shield'?

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[Jandor]

Holy Spirit spam came first.

What's next 'dark knight stole warrior's gap closer'?

'paladin stole warrior's aoe shield'?

Wasn't 4.0 WAR doing 6 fell cleaves in a row?

I don't know, it didn't live long to be fair.

[Reynhart]

Holy Spirit spam came first.

They both came at the exact same time, and Delirium shares more similarities with Inner Release than with Requiescat.

I don't know, it didn't live long to be fair.

You can still do 6 Fell Cleave in a row right now (Or even 7), it didn't die...but you can also fit one Onslaught and one Upheaval in the middle of that

[Satarn]

They both came at the exact same time, and Delirium shares more similarities with Inner Release than with Requiescat.

That is untrue. Original 4.0-4.1 Inner Release only halved your gauge costs for 20 seconds at a 120 second cd, nothing else. WAR also had old Berserk at the time - 30% dmg buff lasting 20 seconds at 60 second cd. That created 2 different burst windows(zerk and zerk+IR) which both required gauge management for preparation during downtime and were more involved themselves, as you had to generate some gauge with your combo during burst in order to maximize damage output.

Requiscat was indeed the original "spam one button 5 times" buff and older WARs have drawn the comparison with new IR as soon as 4.2 preliminary patch notes were shown.