Tanks and spam windows

[Jandor]

I love to play warrior for that exact reason, when im pulling wall to wall in dungeon and activate inner release i just smash mobs around me, dealing biggest DPS in the party, it feels great.
When SE reworked Warrior a little and made changes to IR it was taken really well and they are taking similar approach to other tanks too, which i like a lot.

More pew pew more fun.

You took the words right out of my mouth! The exact reason why I love war!

If only you both already had a job that gave you exactly what you want...

[Nedkel]

If only you both already had a job that gave you exactly what you want...

If only all three tanks jobs wouldnt be similar already, sharing skills with the exact same effects.

[Khimer]

Spam burst windows are satisfying when you turn them on and land things on a enemy target.
They work the same way as ultimate skills do in mobs games, you activate them by pressing "R" and you do cool and powerful stuff.
I love to play warrior for that exact reason, when im pulling wall to wall in dungeon and activate inner release i just smash mobs around me, dealing biggest DPS in the party, it feels great.
When SE reworked Warrior a little and made changes to IR it was taken really well and they are taking similar approach to other tanks too, which i like a lot.

More pew pew more fun.

Ok, but what do you do for the next 80 seconds? After u've done that cool and powerful burst ability? You just do that boring eye-path rotation and hit like a wet noodle until IR is up again, the only thing you care about is not overcaping on rage which is a no-brainer already. The reason why pld's spam burst is more or less redeemable is cause you have 2 bursts: physical and magical(that holly spirit spam), and you juggle them in your rotation, and it feels busy, like you are doing something meaningful, when you are not spamming holly spirit. While warrior just feels like 1 trick pony now. You can say its fun and call it the ultimate ability, but i think its a pretty bad design if you can experience that fun only every 80 seconds while playing the job. idk, maybe it seems bad to me only because i've experience old warrior too, i can see why new people really enjoy it, but to me the job overall seems way less fun nowadays.

[Nedkel]

Ok, but what do you do for the next 80 seconds? After u've done that cool and powerful burst ability? You just do that boring eye-path rotation and hit like a wet noodle until IR is up again, the only thing you care about is not overcaping on rage which is a no-brainer already. The reason why pld's spam burst is more or less redeemable is cause you have 2 bursts: physical and magical(that holly spirit spam), and you juggle them in your rotation, and it feels busy, like you are doing something meaningful, when you are not spamming holly spirit. While warrior just feels like 1 trick pony now. You can say its fun and call it the ultimate ability, but i think its a pretty bad design if you can experience that fun only every 80 seconds while playing the job. idk, maybe it seems bad to me only because i've experience old warrior too, i can see why new people really enjoy it, but to me the job overall seems way less fun nowadays.

Make it anymore complex, and you will see people playing a tank like a bot.
Tanks could only be complex to the point where it allows you to pay an attention to other things in the game. Like managing your def CD's, positioning the mobs/boss, using support skills at the right time etc stuff.
You will find a complexity with DPS, they could have more engaging rotations to play around, tanks cant afford the same level of engagement in one aspect of gameplay, they have to do much more than just pew pew from distance.

[shao32]

Make it anymore complex, and you will see people playing a tank like a bot.
Tanks could only be complex to the point where it allows you to pay an attention to other things in the game. Like managing your def CD's, positioning the mobs/boss, using support skills at the right time etc stuff.
You will find a complexity with DPS, they could have more engaging rotations to play around, tanks cant afford the same level of engagement in one aspect of gameplay, they have to do much more than just pew pew from distance.

i considering you are underestimate what tanks can do and overestimate our dutys as a tanks, specially since most dedicate tanks considerate the role the most easy and a way less skilled players can even do his basic dutys just fine.

more important meaby you don't know but DRK was the most popular tank in HW apart of being the hardest one to manage and good DRKs never have any problem with they tanking dutys in HW and SB while mid-maxing his job.

[Nedkel]

i considering you are underestimate what tanks can do and overestimate our dutys as a tanks, specially since most dedicate tanks considerate the role the most easy and a way less skilled players can even do his basic dutys just fine.

more important meaby you don't know but DRK was the most popular tank in HW apart of being the hardest one to manage and good DRKs never have any problem with they tanking dutys in HW and SB while mid-maxing his job.

Thats a really big assumptions you made here.
Not all will fail with basic task thats for sure, but making the gap bigger between skill floor and ceiling will for sure make balancing everything much harder if not impossible.
You know how it will be frustrating for anyone who is not playing a tank, to go into the duty and see giant difference between players, once you are doing something in 15 minutes and another times it takes 50 minutes. It is already bad enough, and what if a tank jobs have complexity level of a samurai and still have to use def CDs and support abilities?

[Nedkel]

Some people like to do burst damage with pressing something many times.
Some enjoy fighting with flawed to the core design in order to squish most from it.

Whatever people say, stoormblood DRK WAS BAD.

[garret_hawke]

My thoughts on the spam 5x burst phases (since I'm playing WAR to farm the mount while wanting for Shb) they're power nap time. That's why I hate playing WAR, normal rotation is death boring and burst phase is brain dead.

[Jandor]

My thoughts on the spam 5x burst phases (since I'm playing WAR to farm the mount while wanting for Shb) they're power nap time. That's why I hate playing WAR, normal rotation is death boring and burst phase is brain dead.

Yeah, and the people trying to tell me it's fun are becoming quite annoying, I know what I find fun and spam x5 isn't it.

I don't like it, I leveled Warrior to see for myself and I basically haven't played it since getting it to 70. I even ended up basically dropping Paladin for Dark Knight over the course of Stormblood, and holy spam isn't that similar.

Now it looks like Dark Knight can go in the bin too.