Tanks and spam windows

[Jandor]

What's with the unreasonable dislike for using a skill multiple times in a row?

It's not unreasonable.

[shao32]

looks like some ppl want this for FFXIV with is sad for me.

[Izsha]

You missed the sarcasm. It was NOT because of positive feedback which would be people wanting to have a warrior skill. It was because of negative feedback complaining about a drks lack of burst and it was always conpared to req and IR as drk had nothing to compete with that.h As kalise pointed out. Drks had little burst and often pointed that out. Well, now you get burst. SE screwed it up by giving it with a lack of imagination

[Jandor]

You missed the sarcasm.

Yeah, too subtle for me.

[Izsha]

Yeah, it was mega subtle...

To be fair, according to this forum drk has been shit for years so nothing new in ShB. Nut you do have burst wh9ch is one thing drks really wanted. There were a lot of wishes granted. Improved mobility. Less da spam. Burst. Party utility. Etc. It isnt all bad. It just isnt perfect eithet. And there are plenty of wars that hate the ungabunga memecleave it has become. There is plenty of sympathy for spreading these silly 1 dimensional burst windows. And for some of the items se didnt fix like immunities and tbn being to risky to use in many cases and lots of other things.

SE did a lot right with this expansions for tanks. Tank stances, rebalanced mitigation, fixed accessories. Added much needed utility balance. They really did do a lot. They also dropped the ball on a handful of things, and had some mediocre additions like this one. It gets the job done of giving drk burst. Is it creative? Ingenious? No. But neither is IR. Were all in this same shit boat together, but the tank boat is overall is looking pretty good all things considered.

[Satarn]

To be fair, according to this forum drk has been shit for years so nothing new in ShB. Nut you do have burst wh9ch is one thing drks really wanted. There were a lot of wishes granted. Improved mobility. Less da spam. Burst.

Okay, now you're just misrepresenting the situation. Sure, there were people who asked for burst and DA removal, but there's also been plenty of people suggesting more ways to spend MP instead and a lot of people asking for return to more HW-like DRK, which SHB is basically the opposite of. Also what mobility you're talking about? Charges which nobody thought of and which just make delaying Plunge less of a dps loss than before? The Plunge feedback has always been about it's range and that's still unchanged.

SE did a lot right with this expansions for tanks. Tank stances, rebalanced mitigation (...) but the tank boat is overall is looking pretty good all things considered.

Subjective. Highly subjective.

[WhyAmIHere]

Subjective. Highly subjective.

DPS no longer have to get yelled at to use Diversion, as it's gone.
Tanks just toggle tank stance for hate and no longer do less damage for performing the functions of their job: generating enmity.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a tank main that things the change to tank stance is a bad one. PLD I bet likes having an oGCD tank stance finally.

[Jandor]

SE did a lot right with this expansions for tanks. Tank stances, rebalanced mitigation, fixed accessories. Added much needed utility balance. They really did do a lot.

I sort of wish they hadn't tbh.

theres a certain primal joy from being able to spam your big move especially when its at no resource cost. Its not MEANT to be intellectually stimulating - just fun.

There was already a job for people that find that fun.

Everyone keeps comparing the new Delirium to Inner Release, but I've heard nothing about how PLD's Requiescat is basically the same thing, unless we're continuing the meme that PLD is meant to be boring.

People have been comparing Inner Release and Requiescat for years.

[Satarn]

You missed the sarcasm. It was NOT because of positive feedback which would be people wanting to have a warrior skill. It was because of negative feedback complaining about a drks lack of burst and it was always conpared to req and IR as drk had nothing to compete with that.h As kalise pointed out. Drks had little burst and often pointed that out. Well, now you get burst. SE screwed it up by giving it with a lack of imagination

To be fair it was both.

While some WARs really hated the change, sadly a lot of people who didn't understand how to play 4.1 WAR well, complained about it being "clunky" and rejoiced after 4.2 hit, because then they could just get tons of dps at low effort. There's also WARs who only started playing the job post-change and enjoy it. Most importantly, the WAR raid participation numbers went up, which gave SE clear sign that "everything is great now"(although the numbers already started going up with 4.1, after some small tweaks and Shake it Off revamp, but there wasn't a new tier to measure it). Clearly WAR is an enjoyable job to many(as much as I personally hate the current iteration), the main issue is we don't need more than one.

That said, there's also been a lot of misguided feedback and nonconstructive whining from some DRK players, who felt that we need something akin to either IR of FoF(ZzZz), especially people who didn't even realize they should pool their MP and Blood to make their burst, instead of just hitting DA/BS whenever they got enough resources for it...

[Hanayome]

The argument I agree with is that the new Delirium works towards homogenizing tank rotations and it wasn't very creative of SE to just slap that onto DRK.

That being said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with pressing the same skill on GCD (meaning weavable) 5 times in a row once every 1.5 minutes. Yes I fully agree that the actual pressing of a button 5 times in a row is by no means a complex or inspiring tactic, but theres a certain primal joy from being able to spam your big move especially when its at no resource cost. Its not MEANT to be intellectually stimulating - just fun.

Everyone keeps comparing the new Delirium to Inner Release, but I've heard nothing about how PLD's Requiescat is basically the same thing, unless we're continuing the meme that PLD is meant to be boring.

And no, obviously you do more than 1 2 3 throughout a fight, wiseguys. My point is that spamming a DPS combo is, imo just a lot more repetitive than IR or Requiescat phase. I remember quite a few people mourning the loss of Scourge and the old combo finisher Delirium because of how repetitive and bland it made the DRK rotation.