Tanks and spam windows

[Big-Isaac]

As of ShB, 75% of the tanks (i.e. all of them sans GNB) have mechanics that lead to windows where you spam the same button multiple times

- PLD still has Req into HS, but now also gets RA into Atonement x3
- WAR still has IR into Fel Cleave
- DRK has the reworked Delirium, which has you spam either Bloodspiller or Quietus

What I'm wondering is... why? Do people really like these types of spam windows or something? Speaking for myself, I got over the hype of Req>HS pretty quickly at the start of SB. There's just nothing special about popping a CD and then hammering the same button for 10ish seconds.

The ironic thing about the DRK change in particular is that in SB, I actually found dropping a Quietus or a DA Dark Passenger on a big trash pack significantly more satisfying than spamming HS in single target on my PLD.
It has a niche crunchy feeling to it, and it's over long before it can get boring or stale.

IMO, if the mechanics worked differently to where you take all the damage from those 3-6 hits and instead packed them into one giant ass Fel Cleave, Holy Spirit or Bloodspiller, it would feel far more satisfying. Make it so it requires a fair amount of setup, so it doesn't start feeling routine, and let you drop a nuke when the conditions are right

What do you think?

[Jandor]

Dark Knights inner delirium is rubbish, just a boring hit button x5 ability. Brain-dead way of adding burst to the job I guess.

Paladin at least mixes it up by having ranged cleaves and flicking back and forth between magic and physical bursts.

On the whole, I'm sick of spam windows.

[gman1311]

I find the spam window fun,but thats just me.

[DRKoftheAzure]

10 seconds of pressing 1 button 5 times in single target gets boring really fast... only WAR should have that... DRK doesn't need it, in fact you could make Dark Arts into a burst window that lets you press 6 combo action buttons with 200-300 additional potency on all spells and weapon and it would actually look way better than Fell Cleave spam...

[Kalise]

Do people really like these types of spam windows or something?

Some people actually seem to.

I've seen some responses on these forums where people expressed that they specifically love to spam one skill over and over, so long as that skill is putting up big numbers.

Heck, some people want more of it, like apparently some Samurai want to be able to just spam Midare Setsugekka all the time.

I don't understand the appeal myself. It's not fun, its not interactive and after a short while the novelty wears off...

What do you think?

I think it comes down to them wanting all Tanks to be able to burst. Since one of the things that's making Warrior meta is that they can capitalize better on burst windows and are less affected by boss downtime which is giving them higher DPS in encounters (While on paper, all Tanks are equal, if not DRK/PLD being able to get ahead of Warrior)

So, the solution they came up with, was to not remove Trick Attack - The major issue making burst windows exist (Also, making NIN a "Mandatory" job in compositions). Not to stop designing encounters with forced downtime due to phase transitions - The major issue that neuters sustained DPS. Not to tweak Inner Release so that it was less potent and shift Warrior's damage to being more spread throughout their kit (So EVERY attack feels chunkier and good to use, rather than 5 attacks per 90s...)

No, their solution was to Ctrl-C Ctrl-V on Inner Release.

So now we have Inner Release, Holy Release and Dark Release. So everyone can ungabunga all day every day! Yaaaaay...

In before 6.0 when we get Gun Release and GNB gets a completely new and never before seen mechanic in which they spam a skill 5 times in a row after using a CD! Wow, so new, much innovate!

[Satarn]

It was boring on PLD, but being boring is basically PLD's identity so whatever.

It was a really stupid change from IR/Zerk windows on WAR.

Now DRK's new DelIRium is just crossing the gorramn line.

in fact you could make Dark Arts into a burst window that lets you press 6 combo action buttons with 200-300 additional potency on all spells and weapon and it would actually look way better than Fell Cleave spam...

That's just FoF. You press a button for buff and then continue with your one combo and ogcds as they come up. So exciting, wow.
DRK didn't need a timed burst buff, mana gain on BW and poolling with mp/blood spenders as you see fit would've been fine.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Some people actually seem to.

I've seen some responses on these forums where people expressed that they specifically love to spam one skill over and over, so long as that skill is putting up big numbers.

Heck, some people want more of it, like apparently some Samurai want to be able to just spam Midare Setsugekka all the time.

They should be playing BLM instead if that's the case...

[Misutoraru]

I enjoy my IR>FC spam, it is only because I love the animation and skill sound.
To be honest, don’t feel much of a difference when doing the 1-2-3 rotation. Most of the fight just so predictable now, especially silence and stun no longer play a vital role in most of the boss fight

[Hanayome]

What's with the unreasonable dislike for using a skill multiple times in a row? Thats what AoE rotations were. Spam Abyssal Drain/Overpower/Total Eclipse. Granted, WAR fit in some Decimate/Steel Cyclones and DRK used Quietus, but largely you spammed your AoE. They've changed that now but this is what we've had since ARR till now.

IR acts as a cleanse/anti-knockback/draw-in. New Delirium, assuming its unchanged, allows for outputting burst without Blood costs while also recovering a decent chunk of mana. Personally I think there's more to it than just "press to do da big deeps".

Also I fail to see how pressing 1 2 3 for a predetermined combo for most of the damn fight is any more enlightened or complicated than pressing 1 five or 6 times in a row under specific conditions every, what, 90 seconds?

[Khimer]

Yes PLEASE rise up against braindead spam windows. Cant believe so many warriors were okay with giving up beautiful berserk for this 1 button spam which also is 40% of their damage now(putting 40% of job's damage in goddamn 10sec window, yikes), and now because of overwhelming positive feedback they gave same treatment to drk. Obviously jobs aren't ruined, but its just sad. I'm not mad, i'm disappointed.