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    The short version is that it is not a plot hole. Midgard has some kind of covenant to protect Silvertear Lake specifically, as the font of aether. We also know that Allag and dragons absolutely did clash in the past and while we don’t have specifics as to those events, we have seen some of the results of it.

    Idk how to address the Mhach bit as I’ve no knowledge of Mhach ever intruding upon the Lake proper.

    As for Garlemald, we can assume several things. We know now that ascians are involved in the empire this time as well, even if we do not assume that Hyd didn’t ask him to or he wasn’t aware of Ascian involvement whom he would arguably have a bone to pick with due to the drama with Bahamut, it was a massive dreadnaught so dangerous that destroying it turned Mor Dhona into a wasteland. It’s possible he could simply detect the threat to the balance it presented and decided to act accordingly.
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    What makes you think Midgardsormr could have stopped the Allagans from setting up wherever they wanted?
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    The aetherial seal at silvertear lake prevented primals from being summoned so it couldn't have existed during the allagan era when summoning was rampant. It's possible the seal was created by Hydaelyn afterwards to prevent the summoning of Primals & that she stationed Middy there to keep watch.


    I've also been curious as to why Allag never fought with Dragons in Dravania When Allag center of power was the continent of Aldenard, since if they had fought there is no way Hraesvelgr & Nidhogg would have escaped allag without being killed or captured. so I can only assume that they weren't living in dravania at that point.
    Given their Norse names I'm assuming they would have lived in either northern Ilsabard (which is unlikely given that Allag also ruled Ilsabard) or possibly Aerslaent (Ancenstral home of the Roegadyn). Though I'm honestly not sure whether Allag had Aerslaent as well, if they had then maybe there is another land further north of the 3 great continents they hadn't bothered to conquer.
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    Midgard was there before the Allagans, at least, because Bahamut was one of his brood in eggs that traveled with him. That means the covenant with Hydaelyn was in place before the Allagan Empire. The empire didn't encounter Primals until it invaded Meracydia though, after it defeated the dragons living there. That means, the seal only affected the Eorzea continent. This makes sense though that there would be a seal, due to the high volume of aether that the continent has compared to the other continents, it makes it much easier to summon Primals as a result. I'm not sure why Midgard wasn't roused to respond though, maybe he was worried about the strength of the empire and thought discretion was the better option, given what had happened to his children in Meracydia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temperjoke View Post
    Midgard was there before the Allagans, at least, because Bahamut was one of his brood in eggs that traveled with him. That means the covenant with Hydaelyn was in place before the Allagan Empire. The empire didn't encounter Primals until it invaded Meracydia though, after it defeated the dragons living there. That means, the seal only affected the Eorzea continent. This makes sense though that there would be a seal, due to the high volume of aether that the continent has compared to the other continents, it makes it much easier to summon Primals as a result. I'm not sure why Midgard wasn't roused to respond though, maybe he was worried about the strength of the empire and thought discretion was the better option, given what had happened to his children in Meracydia.
    He was there far enough back that the eggs of Bahamut and Tiamat could hatch, for them to mature enough to fly to Meracydia, start their own brood, and for that brood to spread and sire their own children until there were enough dragons later to summon Bahamut and for those dragons to be old enough that they gave rise to the diversity we can see in Azys Lla. All before Allag's invasion.

    Why Middy broke the seal on Silvertear by willingly killing himself to stop the Garleans is probably going to be eternally unknown given his state after the events of Sigmascape(Or was it after Chaos? I can't remember.), but the power of the lake predates any known civilization. Who knows, maybe the Heart of Sabik is relevant and will finally be explained now that we're getting information on a pre-Sundering civilization.
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    Just clarifying a couple things up:

    1. Midgardsormr went inactive after the fight in Sigmascape, having used up all his energy to free the Warrior of Light from Omega.

    2. Midgardsormr did not go on a suicide mission against the Imperial air force. It wasn't even a mutual kill. Midgardsormr actually defeated the Agrius; were it not for his prideful desire to show off by coiling around it and roaring, he would have been fine - it was the ceruleum tanks exploding shortly post-victory (while he was coiled around the ship) that did him in.
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    And by "did him in" we mean "he decided to have a two-decade long nap". Which for a being millenia old probably isn't worth even considering a set-back.
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    Do we know if Bahamut was ever chained up real bad like Tiamat was? Since If you go talk to a node in Azys La says a second dragon was bound really good like Tiamat was broke free and then seemingly said screw this I'm out of here. They just don't give a name to said other dragon. Also wasn't Midgardsormr also asleep cause I mean what else you going to do while you're watching over a lake full of aether until the Garleans? We don't know exactly when he started guarding Silver Tear and if he was still in need of recovery after his fight with Omega and then a long space flight.
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    Bahamut was killed in Mercydia. Tiamat later summoned him as a Primal at the behest of the Ascians.

    I would be very interested in knowing what Node in Azys Lla says that another dragon escaped from Azys Lla.

    So far... we have no idea what Midgardsormr was doing during the time of the Allagan Empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    Bahamut was killed in Mercydia. Tiamat later summoned him as a Primal at the behest of the Ascians.

    I would be very interested in knowing what Node in Azys Lla says that another dragon escaped from Azys Lla.

    So far... we have no idea what Midgardsormr was doing during the time of the Allagan Empire.
    I believe they may be referring to this snip of info from Gilly when it was taking us around Azys Lla:

    Quote Originally Posted by Guidance System
    <blip> I regret to inform you that the matter conduit leading to the Flagship is no longer functioning.
    According to my records, it was destroyed by a dragon, which broke free of its restraints when they failed approximately two thousand three hundred and sixty-nine years, one month, twenty-four days, seven hours and four minutes ago.
    Please find an alternate route to the Aetherochemical Research Facility. The Allagan Research Council apologizes for any inconvenience caused.
    But we have no idea if this means another of the First Brood, or just some random Meracydian. Remember that before Cid breaks it, Azys Lla was covered by an one of Allag's most powerful barriers, and we have no reason to assume it didn't work both ways.
    Of course they may be referring to another mention of a dragon escaping, but having recently redone Heavensward, I am certain that it is not mentioned elsewhere.
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