Gamerescape E3 Interview

[Alleluia]

I mean, its not as if dopplegangers is an unheard of concept in fiction. And there are only so many genetic combinations you get at random till you get someone who looks similar to someone else.

Also, Cid isn't a doppleganger, but he does exist as a completely different person in every universe. lol Similar concept, really.

[EdwinLi]

I mean, its not as if dopplegangers is an unheard of concept in fiction. And there are only so many genetic combinations you get at random till you get someone who looks similar to someone else.

Also, Cid isn't a doppleganger, but he does exist as a completely different person in every universe. lol Similar concept, really.

Ya it is a very common theme for Alternate realities/Worlds/parallel worlds when it comes to encountering people with the same name and appearance that lived a different life in those Alternate Realities/Worlds/Parallel Worlds.

They may look and sound the same but due to living a different life, they are completely different people in personality and beliefs.

Agreed.

It cheapens the established story if it happens too frequently. I just don't want to see a situation where, for example, Haurchefant comes 'back' because he conveniently has a counterpart on the First who looks and acts exactly like him.

I don't think it cheapens the story since this is a very common theme in a Multiverse Plot.

Ya there may be a counterpart of a dead person in another world alive but that person has lived a completely different life and developed different beliefs. It also shows a interesting take on "What if" scenarios for that person if their life had gone differently due to the difference in Parallel/Alternate Worlds/Realities. Along with what the world maybe like if X person lived while Y person died or both lived or both died.

While at the sametime the person who are alive in the Source can be dead in the First or have become a Sin Eater.

[Seraphor]

I don't think it cheapens the story since this is a very common theme in a Multiverse Plot.

Only where it makes sense, because the 'split' occurred in the recent past, e.g. time travel with alternate timelines, like Avengers End Game.
When the 'split' occurs multiple generations past, then the same people being born becomes a little hard to believe.

I wouldn't be against similar characters though, like a female 'Cidney' who builds our airship, or a 'Sir Baymeric' with red hair who's an enemy or something, if it's not too much of it.

[Iscah]

It's kind of premature to get upset at a First-Haurchefant showing up considering there isn't even the slightest hint so far of that happening.

It's not so much specifically him as that it's an example of how the whole idea of "First-Anyone" is off-putting to me.

And as I said as the start, this story is being written by the same writer(s?) who did the DRK questline, who already brought back "not-Haurchefant" to play for drama in a way that I found incredibly disappointing. Even before this announcement, it made me apprehensive about how the story might turn out and whether I would be similarly annoyed by how they handle the plot.

So no, it hasn't happened yet but I wouldn't be surprised if it did, and thus am getting at least some of the frustration out of the way now. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised that it doesn't happen.

but as I said before, majority of people we know may have their doppelgängers dead or turned into Sin Eaters in the First due to the Flood of light covering majority of the world and the only place we can go in 5.0 are the few remaining places that have not been consumed yet.

This just makes the "alternate selves" thing even more depressing.

not to mention as I said multiple times, the doppelgängers does not mean that everything in the past is undone since these people are completely different people with only similarities are their name and appearance.

I can't actually agree with this if the doppelgängers has lived a completely different life because that would be just treating someone who only has the same name and looks like a person we know as a replacement for someone who already died.

Considering the First version of a person will stay in the First and continue to live a completely different life from those in the Source that person should still be treated as a different person and we should never feel fine about what happened to the person we know in the Source.

This is why I don't want alternate versions of characters. Not from this setup with 12,000 years of independent evolution and "butterfly effect" changes in the world. People aren't produced by independent random chance each time, they're the product of all their ancestors. It's not a dice roll that has the same chance to produce a result regardless of what has gone before it.

If they are different people living different lives to their Source-counterparts ... what about their parents? Their grandparents? Great-great-great-great grandparents? That's up to 128 people on just that line of the individual's family tree, and we've only counted back maybe two hundred years. And the further back you go, the more a single "disruption" to the chain is going to affect multiple people's ancestors, with a flow-on effect.

Did all of those 128 people live "different lives" to their counterparts, and yet all choose to have children with the same people?

And the next generation, where another 64 individuals all made the same choices?

And another 32?

And another sixteen? And eight? And four? And two?

None of them died as a child? Fell in love with someone else? Never married? Stayed home on the day they would have had a chance meeting with their future partner?

That's seven generations and 254 people who had to follow the same path in two worlds, just for a single person to be genetically the same as their counterpart. (And we're probably dealing with something more like four hundred generations, assuming three or four per century.)

It's improbable, and inconsistent with the base worldbuilding proposition that the worlds have been evolving independently since the split - and they clearly have been.

If the worlds are independent and different, the people should be completely differerent at this point.

If they want everyone to have a First-counterpart, the worlds should be far more similiar (and the split less distant) to seem at all believable.


And once someone isn't the same person either personality-wise or genetically... it's not them, it's just a chance lookalike. We could just as easily encounter one on the Source.

(Edit to add: from what we know of naming conventions on the First, they won't have the same names as their counterparts either.)

If they go the doppelganger route, even further anyway, I'd want it to be Mide (I think that's her name) from the Alexander story. Minus *touches scar.*

That could get... interesting. Have fun untangling that time-space-dimensional-travelmajig.

Though we did get brief flashes of both Mide and G'raha during one of the Omega cutscenes...

[EdwinLi]

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There are multiple events that can lead to a doppelgängers creation and it is not always the result of "having the same parents".

Some doppelgängers can be born from different parents or with one parent the same and one different.

Another is that certain physical features may have changed with the doppelgängers due to the difference in parents such as hair color while their physical appearance and voice still remain similar. In another case the doppelgängers can be born of the opposite gender. Another can be born from different parents thus your DNA are slightly different due to the combination of certain DNA traits but physical appearance and voice are the same.

Similar to the multiple possibilities of a doppelgängers not being born, there are multiple possibilities for how a doppelgängers can be born. A doppelgängers existance is not bound to only "having the same parents."

[Seraphor]

There are multiple events that can lead to a doppelgängers creation and it is not always the result of "having the same parents".

Some doppelgängers can be born from different parents or with one parent the same and one different.

Another is that certain physical features may have changed with the doppelgängers due to the difference in parents such as hair color while their physical appearance and voice still remain similar. In another case the doppelgängers can be born of the opposite gender. Another can be born from different parents thus your DNA are slightly different due to the combination of certain DNA traits but physical appearance and voice are the same.

Similar to the multiple possibilities of a doppelgängers not being born, there are multiple possibilities for how a doppelgängers can be born. A doppelgängers existance is not bound to only "having the same parents."

Dopplegangers who clearly aren't the same characters, but just very similar, is acceptable. It's no less unbelievable than 'fate' like the FFVIII orphanage gang.

[Gula]

I mean, its not as if dopplegangers is an unheard of concept in fiction. And there are only so many genetic combinations you get at random till you get someone who looks similar to someone else.

Also, Cid isn't a doppleganger, but he does exist as a completely different person in every universe. lol Similar concept, really.

I hope the First has a Cid but entirely different to parallel every FF having it's own Cid.

[Dualblade]

I hope the First has a Cid but entirely different to parallel every FF having it's own Cid.

They could also take it in a different direction and introduce Mid on the First. Regardless of whether FirstCid is still around that would give us someone in Cid's role without it just being Cid himself.

[EdwinLi]

They could also take it in a different direction and introduce Mid on the First. Regardless of whether FirstCid is still around that would give us someone in Cid's role without it just being Cid himself.

Imagine if it ended up being FF14 version of Cidney and she tells us the First version of Cid is dead thus she took up his role as the First personal Cid after First Cid's death.

[Gula]

Imagine if it ended up being FF14 version of Cidney and she tells us the First version of Cid is dead thus she took up his role as the First personal Cid after First Cid's death.

Still mad XV called her "Cindy." Cidney is perfect. Though, because of XV, not sure how liable this is since to happen. Wouldn't be mad though.