New housing sector - will fc have priority?

[Mew_FC]

Like an FC that has 20+ houses for literally no reason.

Says literally who

True, I forgot about that person. The reason I brought it up was also because of abuse, because last time they did an FC only housing drop a lot of people got around it by moving housing plots and just causing general chaos for a week.

What is this chaos you speak of?

They damn well better give Free Companies priority... This isn't like 4.2 either, this is an entirely new server, nobody can have a Rank 6 Free Company on that server yet to even buy a plot, nobody can relocate estate from their current server to the new one... If Free Companies don't have priority then Free Companies simply wont get plots on the new servers; While Free Companies are moving and forming up, and grinding out points for Rank 6, all the plots will be purchased by individuals...

You know it only takes a couple minutes to level up an FC to rank 6 right?

Considering people buy and sell FCs in this game, to get around the problem that you cannot buy and sell houses directly, I am not so sure about giving FCs priority. All that will happen, is that people would make FCs so they can get the property and then sell them at an inflated price to people.

Sure, this is against the rules, but how many people would report if it meant they would get a chance at a house?
There's already plenty of FCs that only have 1 person in them, and they have a FC house all to themselves.

Trading houses isn't against any rules.

[Nalien]

What new housing sector?
Has something been announced?

I assume the new Wards on Spriggan and Twintania, the new servers for Chaos and Light respectively.

You know it only takes a couple minutes to level up an FC to rank 6 right?

Please do elaborate, entirely possible SE changed how that works since the last time I actually had to way back in 2.x. Back then you needed what, 90k Free Company Credits to reach Rank 6? Can't see how you can do that in a couple of minutes, even if you've planned ahead of time with plenty of items to turn in; Something I doubt most casual or completely new Free Companies will be able to do, but I guess that's their fault.

Either way, a 2 minute delay is going to cost you most of the large plots if literally anyone can just transfer over and buy up plots solo. That's also not factoring in forming up the Free Company, if your entire Free Company is moving, four of you better book Tuesday off work so you can jump on at 11AM BST sharp to form up and grind the points to even buy the plot... Again, if people can buy solo then a lot of those plots are just going to vanish while a Free Company does that... I think there are enough delays involved with Free Companies getting those plots to justify giving them priority, and once more, this is based off a Free Company that is hyper active in forming up and grinding to Rank 6, which really shouldn't be the standard we base this off of...

[Wynn_Storm]

Says literally who

I didn't even give a name, feeling guilty?

[NessaWyvern]

Trading houses isn't against any rules.

I mentioned at an inflated price, which is against the rules. If you trade houses, you are not allowed to make a profit on it.

From one of the GMs:

And yes, there are people who are breaking the rules, a quick look on the FFXIV housing reddit shows people selling FC houses for over twice their purchase price.

[AlliciaCapulet]

Considering people buy and sell FCs in this game, to get around the problem that you cannot buy and sell houses directly, I am not so sure about giving FCs priority. All that will happen, is that people would make FCs so they can get the property and then sell them at an inflated price to people.

Sure, this is against the rules, but how many people would report if it meant they would get a chance at a house?
There's already plenty of FCs that only have 1 person in them, and they have a FC house all to themselves.

They just need to increase the restriction they already put in the past. Something that makes more sense and make it impossible for a single person to buy a mansion with a "fake fc".
Something like : 10 person minimum in the fc for a small, 20 person minimum for a medium and 30 minimum for a large house. And maybe another restriction like if the fc goes under a certain limit (like 50% of that number) they lose the house. And add to that a period, maybe like a week, where FC have priority over personnal houses. It would be more fair I believe and counter that kind of thing. And who will be mad about something like that? Exactly those who abuse and have FC with 1 person in it.

[AlliciaCapulet]

What new housing sector?
Has something been announced?

They talked about possible new sector and hinted Ishgard. I just double checked, they said it on 2 fan festival without any confirmation on where it will be but talked of Ishard. Anyway, it makes senses to expect a new housing sector with patch 5.1, after all Shirogane was released on patch 4.1. In HW, they did not make a whole new sector but they added ward to every 3 existing sector and made lots of change to the system, but now that the system is well implemented, and that every houses on almost every servers are sold out, it just make senses to guess we'll see a new sector in 5.x series.

My post was about that, if they release (and i'm sure they will) a new sector, it will be nice that they review at the same time how the house system works, especially for fc. It makes no sense to allow single player in a fc with an house. That's what we call a personnal house. So they should make more restriction on that. And allow true fc to have a priority to have a chance to get a house or something better than a small one.

[Nalien]

And who will be mad about something like that? Exactly those who abuse and have FC with 1 person in it.

My only point would be that it seems kind of odd to say; A small Free Company with maybe half a dozen members out right ins't allowed an Estate of any size, but an individual can still eventually own a Mansion solo, an individual in that Free Company even... Heck, every individual in that small Free Company could eventually own a Mansion, but their Free Company can't own one because...?

We're getting into "How to fix Housing" territory there though, to which I simply say throw Dalamud 2.0 at the Housing Wards and rework the entire horrid system... I believe Yoshida has outright stated that the problem is due to them designing the system with 1.x player numbers in mind, they never expected 2.0 to be as popular as it was, and thus the Housing system was never ready for that demand. Simply put, it needs a rework. Do that in the background, introduce it and give people a period of time to move over from the old Wards to the new workable version. The current version is not fit for purpose and it will never meet demand, no matter how many extra resources SE throws at the problem... They need to rework the entire system so that everyone can own a House and every Free Company can too, like most other MMOs with Housing systems allow... Sadly it's likely easier to just slap a few extra servers on the problem every expansion to just appease some players, than it is to actually rework the entire system into something functional... I certainly know what route I expect SE to take with that in mind...

[AlliciaCapulet]

My only point would be that it seems kind of odd to say; A small Free Company with maybe half a dozen members out right ins't allowed an Estate of any size, but an individual can still eventually own a Mansion solo, an individual in that Free Company even... Heck, every individual in that small Free Company could eventually own a Mansion, but their Free Company can't own one because...?

We're getting into "How to fix Housing" territory there though, to which I simply say throw Dalamud 2.0 at the Housing Wards and rework the entire horrid system... I believe Yoshida has outright stated that the problem is due to them designing the system with 1.x player numbers in mind, they never expected 2.0 to be as popular as it was, and thus the Housing system was never ready for that demand. Simply put, it needs a rework. Do that in the background, introduce it and give people a period of time to move over from the old Wards to the new workable version.

I 100% agree with you there. I'm not saying that what I wrote is perfect, but it's something I was thinking a way to maybe solve this issue with housing. In my opinion, and that's from the very begining of the personnal housing, since there is so few large house, it totally make no sense to me that you can buy them for only 1 person. Even if you are rich, it doesn't mean that you need to be greedy. With larger house come some benifits that should be more focused for a fc. You have 3 garden instead of 2 or 1, so if you want to grew shards, thavnarvian onions or anything else that could helps your fc members, it's better to have a large one. If you want to put the crafted tools that give a boost in the experience point for levelling crafters (lvl 1-50), you can put 4 of them in a small, 6 in a medium and all 8 in a large house. Again, that's something that could help people in a fc. That's why I really do believe that, at least, the large house should be limited to a fc. I can understand someone who want to show their wealth to everyone by owning a mansion to themselve, but it's just being greedy, especially when there is so few of them available.

At this point the system should have a review, but you can't just remove the house of everyone who already owns one. That's why I was telling this idea of giving fc a priority over personnal housing, but putting a restriction more than the "at least 4 players" that they added lately. It should be more person for a larger house than a small.

[Dustytome]

They talked about possible new sector and hinted Ishgard. I just double checked, they said it on 2 fan festival without any confirmation on where it will be but talked of Ishard. Anyway, it makes senses to expect a new housing sector with patch 5.1, after all Shirogane was released on patch 4.1. In HW, they did not make a whole new sector but they added ward to every 3 existing sector and made lots of change to the system, but now that the system is well implemented, and that every houses on almost every servers are sold out, it just make senses to guess we'll see a new sector in 5.x series.

It looks like the Ishgard restoration is set to begin in 5.1 according to this interview that was just published. I think we're looking at far beyond 5.1 for a new housing area. We had info/previews for Shirogane before the launch of Stormblood and could even check out the first ward immediately at launch. Maybe they're actually saving it as a surprise, but it feels like they'd give way more forewarning.

[Wynn_Storm]

The housing system just needs to be reworked in general.

I know the go-to answer is "Just make housing instanced"

I personally wouldn't like that. I like the idea of living in a community with others, its unique and adds a nice social aspect.

I think its possible for them to come up with a fix without resorting to instanced housing. I don't know what they would have to do, but i do hope they plan on overhauling it.

Because right now its handled poorly. Not enough houses to go around, people owning multiple/many houses, people breaking the rules by flipping houses.

I know someone like Yoshida can fix this, hes a smart man. But i don't think its a priority for them right now.