Tenacity

[Kalise]

There a possibility with guns slight synergy with skillspeed, but the timer desynch from raid buffs id wager that will probably get the axe quickly.

Depends on how much you can reasonably take it. Like, if you get it down to 20s from 30s CD, then you still sync up with most raid buffs (60s, 120s, 180s) with only the 90s ones being slightly awkward.

Tanks dont hav tp issues outside of aoe anymore with all our 'free' gcds (gauge skills and holy spirit). So probably no effect on tanks.

They do if they have high enough SkS.

I know I run into issues in Eureka with my high SkS Warrior with the Speed Belt and BA chest (Both with 3% haste each). Where during long fights, it is possible to actually run out of TP, even with ungabunga phases and Memecleaves within the standard rotation. (Often accelerated due to being at about 50% TP after AoEing before starting a fight with a NM)

Which could be a potential thing depending on how Det vs SkS ends up working out in ShB since Det is really the only stat that SkS has a chance of competing with (Crit is the One True Stat because of how it triple dips to make its later expansion scaling so good. With DH being the only other stat that really competes with Crit, mostly due to its early expansion returns. Leaving Det as the "Well, it's better than nothing" stat)

[Izsha]

Yes. In an uninterupted dummy fight starting at half tp with haste gear that doesnt exist normally and a full memespeed build war 'might' run out of tp.

Ill stand by my earlier statement :P

20 seconds off 30 is the same as your gcd going from 2.5 to 1.666667 seconds. Thats never happening unless you have mega speed boosts on par with greased lightning 4. Not a tank possibility. Memespeed gunbreaker in traditional content could only work late stage expac while ignoring raid buffs (bad comp) or or just bot caring about raid buffs like a solo dummy or 24man raid deal.

Wothout some major shakeup its just crit/dh competing and way back there det and Ss competing for the 3rd place"i cant meld more of ky 2 good stats on this item". With the exception of war where its competing with tenacity for that slot and might have a prayer. Its just a fight for 1st looser stat.

[TheForce]

As a PLD first I use Tenacity. I always try to get as much as I can to make it easier to keep threat up and then I would pick aim or might. I don't stance dance unless it's some kind of intermission like Xande going to the throne.

Damage dealt affects aggro.

[Wyndam]

It will probably once again be the budget materia option. If I can get 2-3 tenacity materia for the price of 1 crit materia like I did at the beginning of Stormblood, I'll use the tenacity and sell the crit. Unless I also decide to gear a DPS job.

[DRKoftheAzure]

It will probably once again be the budget materia option. If I can get 2-3 tenacity materia for the price of 1 crit materia like I did at the beginning of Stormblood, I'll use the tenacity and sell the crit. Unless I also decide to gear a DPS job.

I think they need to nerf Crit if that does end up happening again... or at the very least buff Tenacity...

[Izsha]

Tenacity will never be better than det let alone crit. Its a defensive stat that mitigates damage. If it was better at damage than damage only stats, it would be even more 'required' than crit. Ten will never be the best choice for damage.

[Wyndam]

I think they need to nerf Crit if that does end up happening again... or at the very least buff Tenacity...

The funny thing is player perception plays a huge role in the cost. If Tenacity is inferior to Crit to any extent, tanks will favor Crit no matter how small the gap. The actual realized DPS increase might be less than 1% and they'll still do it. Then there's the fact that tanks are a minority compared to DPS being a majority. Early in SB I just found it better to slot Tenacity by buying Crit materia with my cracked clusters, selling it, and then buying Tenacity off the market board. That way I didn't leave any slots open, even for gear I knew would be replaced soon-ish. Whereas with slotting Crit I found myself waiting for something semi-permanent before slotting.

[Jonnycbad]

It has been stated numerous times in interviews that if they made Tenacity good, then everyone would just only gear for Tenacity. They made it as a replacement to the Parrying stat, which was otherwise pointless. Tenacity is a better dump stats because it affects a tiny bit of everything.

[Satarn]

The funny thing is player perception plays a huge role in the cost. If Tenacity is inferior to Crit to any extent, tanks will favor Crit no matter how small the gap. The actual realized DPS increase might be less than 1% and they'll still do it.

That's because the defensive benefits of Tenacity are even lesser than that difference. It was the same issue with Parry - it was such a low mitigation boost that it wasn't worth it, even if you wanted to turtle it up. Honestly they'd do Tenacity a favor by removing this stupid hybrid stat quality and making it pure defensive stat, but actually a substantial one - then it'd be at least potentially useful for prog like non-tank vit melds.

[Izsha]

It does have a niche. People use it in ultimates and such. Its also not a 'bad' stat. Its a fraction off of det while providing mitigation. The only real problem is this games mitigation is very stromg and outgoing heal power is very strong. We dont actually need any more mitigation for 99% of content. But when times get tuff (ultimate), suddenly people find a use for mitigation.

It does its job. Players just dont care because tanks and heals are OP in this game. If you full build ten towards the end of an expac you can get large, permanent damage reduction. Id need to recheck the math but it was like 10 or 15%. Thats a lot of passive mit. But peopme would rather have 0 ten and do 5%more damage. Ten is fine. Its better than parry and usful when you actually want mit. players just dont want mit cuz tanks op.