We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

[LariaKirin]

What was plan and design reason behind SB WHM lilies? Was people's feedback after they saw 10 minutes of its footage wrong? Did their feedback change after people had time to play through the expansion?

What feedback, specifically? There's this neat thing people like to do, which is - remember what they were right about and forget what they were wrong about. And here we are today, remembering how right everyone was pre-Stormblood.

Now let me ask you this ... As a result of feedback:

Did anything change about lillies before Stormblood launch?
Did anything change about lillies after Stormblood launch?

[ForteNightshade]

What feedback, specifically? There's this neat thing people like to do, which is - remember what they were right about and forget what they were wrong about. And here we are today, remembering how right everyone was pre-Stormblood.

Now let me ask you this ... As a result of feedback:

Did anything change about lillies before Stormblood launch?
Did anything change about lillies after Stormblood launch?

No, actually. Lilies remained near completely worthless the whole expansion—so much so new WHMs were told to just move the gauge somewhere hidden and ignore it. Regardless, you keep arguing in fallacies. Just because something was changed eventually does not absolve criticism. It should not have taken two years to address Machinist; those issues making it the least popular job by a considerable margin. This sets a precedence, which we can indeed call back on. A real life equivalent would be that friend who always says they will do such and such a thing yet never do—or they do it only after being hounded at constantly for months and months. After a while, do you still ask them to do you favors or do you deem then unreliable based on precedence? Welcome to how people feel regarding FFXIV. The dev team has a notorious history of either delaying changes for ages or stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the issues... until they wind up caving anyway.

People aren't referencing Stormblood to say "Neener, neener, I was right! See?! I wIn ThE InTeWeBs!!!!!!" They're pointing to the aforementioned precedence set to explain why they no longer have confidence they changes will happen. Or if they do, it won't happen with any haste.

[Deceptus]

People aren't referencing Stormblood to say "Neener, neener, I was right! See?! I wIn ThE InTeWeBs!!!!!!" They're pointing to the aforementioned precedence set to explain why they no longer have confidence they changes will happen. Or if they do, it won't happen with any haste.

Exactly. I don't want to have to call back to SE's mistakes. I wish they hadn't made them in the first place. But for everyone who says "Wait and See" I can point to 2.0 Warrior, and 3.0 Bard / AST, and 4.0 WHM / SCH / MCH / DRK (and monk a bit).

If you look a pattern starts to develop that shows this problem is getting WORSE, and not BETTER. Sebazy's Thread is really hitting the nail on the head. The job numbers are expanding and complexity is expanding and they only have 4 people to work on every job in the game.

SE generally does a GOOD job balancing. But when they mess up, they do so in spades. It shouldn't take a whole entire expansion to fix a problem for any job.

[LariaKirin]

No, actually. Lilies remained near completely worthless the whole expansion—so much so new WHMs were told to just move the gauge somewhere hidden and ignore it. Regardless, you keep arguing in fallacies. Just because something was changed eventually does not absolve criticism. It should not have taken two years to address Machinist; those issues making it the least popular job by a considerable margin. This sets a precedence, which we can indeed call back on. A real life equivalent would be that friend who always says they will do such and such a thing yet never do—or they do it only after being hounded at constantly for months and months. After a while, do you still ask them to do you favors or do you deem then unreliable based on precedence? Welcome to how people feel regarding FFXIV. The dev team has a notorious history of either delaying changes for ages or stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the issues... until they wind up caving anyway.

Ironically, the very beginning of your statement is a straw man fallacy. I did not say Lillies changed for the better or became useful. I did not say things changing "eventually" absolves criticism.

I'm not even saying things will change. I am saying that your pre-launch "feedback" is completely and utterly pointless. Squeenix will only take into account post-launch feedback.

People aren't referencing Stormblood to say "Neener, neener, I was right! See?! I wIn ThE InTeWeBs!!!!!!" They're pointing to the aforementioned precedence set to explain why they no longer have confidence they changes will happen. Or if they do, it won't happen with any haste.

Yes, they are. They are saying "I was right in Stormblood and I am right again with Shadowbringers". This is not even feedback, it's just venting frustrations. Which is even more pointless than the already pointless pre-launch feedback.

[kidalutz]

Hey Square Enix,

Healers are just not fun anymore. Shouldn't a game feel fun for the players and not exhausting? Nobody is happy with spamming one damage skill for ever in most of the content. Sure there are fights where you need to heal more but that's a very low percentage of content. I heard many opinions from healer mains and many of them are considering to change to tank or dps. Why? Because healer gameplay is just boring. Do square enix know that the queues will be extremely long for tanks and dps, when many healers are changing mains. And I don't think someone would start healing job when there is no new job and the current healers gameplay is to spam one button. Please think about how you are treating healers in this game and what exactly the reason is to simplify them to a level where it is no more fun to play. We are not dumb. We want to learn a job and have fun be getting better in it. Healers are doomed.

Dear people type person, I know this may come as something of a shock but nothing warrants an official response aside from these are the changes for right now. They will very likely be changed over the lifetime of the expansion. and if queues take too long there's the trust system.

[Gula]

Forums: Waaahh waah I don't wanna eat any noodles! They look gross so ofc they taste gross!!!

[SaberMaxwell]

Forums: Waaahh waah I don't wanna eat any noodles! They look gross so ofc they taste gross!!!

Also forums: Look you can't know that this 8 month old carton of milk is bad you haven't had a drink yet!

[Fyce]

Also forums: Look you can't know that this 8 month old carton of milk is bad you haven't had a drink yet!

Also forums: Stormblood = Shadowbringers because reasons!

[Deceptus]

Also forums: Stormblood = Shadowbringers because reasons!

Also forums: Heavensward lessons + Stormblood lessons = logical Shadowbringers conclusions based on the data provided.

But you only saw the Carton of milk from the outside.
Was it in the fridge with constant temperature all the time?
Is it fresh milk or long life milk?
You don´t have enough information until you opened it and at least check the odor first. "wait til 80"

And the outside of the carton shows the expiration date (i.e. the pre-patch notes we've gotten), for this example 8 months expired.

As I said above, it's ok to make logical conclusions based on provided data.

[LariaKirin]

Also forums: Heavensward lessons + Stormblood lessons = logical Shadowbringers conclusions based on the data provided.

Is that why when Financial Analysts try to predict the future from past data we call it "logical conclusions", rather than speculation?