We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

[De-vain]

Hey Square Enix,

Healers are just not fun anymore. Shouldn't a game feel fun for the players and not exhausting? Nobody is happy with spamming one damage skill for ever in most of the content. Sure there are fights where you need to heal more but that's a very low percentage of content. I heard many opinions from healer mains and many of them are considering to change to tank or dps. Why? Because healer gameplay is just boring. Do square enix know that the queues will be extremely long for tanks and dps, when many healers are changing mains. And I don't think someone would start healing job when there is no new job and the current healers gameplay is to spam one button. Please think about how you are treating healers in this game and what exactly the reason is to simplify them to a level where it is no more fun to play. We are not dumb. We want to learn a job and have fun be getting better in it. Healers are doomed.

[Reiryuu]

You're very unlikely to get anything except an "I know" from Yoshi P if the subject comes up. That's all he really said in Stormblood aside from "Wait till 70."

[Alathon]

Hey Square Enix,

Healers are just not fun anymore. Shouldn't a game feel fun for the players and not exhausting? Nobody is happy with spamming one damage skill for ever in most of the content. Sure there are fights where you need to heal more but that's a very low percentage of content. I heard many opinions from healer mains and many of them are considering to change to tank or dps. Why? Because healer gameplay is just boring. Do square enix know that the queues will be extremely long for tanks and dps, when many healers are changing mains. And I don't think someone would start healing job when there is no new job and the current healers gameplay is to spam one button. Please think about how you are treating healers in this game and what exactly the reason is to simplify them to a level where it is no more fun to play. We are not dumb. We want to learn a job and have fun be getting better in it. Healers are doomed.

Queue times from class imbalances will not be a meaningful concern for SE once the transition to Trust use is made. The business case for this is strong, there are a lot of players who already try to treat FFXIV as a single player game, having a content tool which both panders to their interests and makes the quality or desirability of any given role irrelevant to queue times, is a big win. This way, they can shit the bed and it won't impact anyone other than the specific players getting shit on, and they can always roll the dice and speculate that even if they ruin a class the current players like, there are more dumbos who will like the new content than current players who enjoyed the old.

I'm trying to get as much fun out of scholar as I can before ShB. After that, my thinking is I'll use WHM for solo content and the inevitable insta-pop queues, and once I've cleared the expansion I'll putter around with the new classes and probably cancel a while later to go back to EVE.

[Laphael]

Hey Square Enix,

Healers are just not fun anymore. ... Healers are doomed.

1. WHM is basically the same
2. AST has a different card system but dps is absolutly the same
3. SCH got nerfed... yes... if its no fun at lvl 80, then complain and/or switch jobs.
4. ALL JOBS ARE BORING IN LOW LVL CONTENT! Its nothing new with healers in Shb. Most Jobs are boring till 60 atm and with increased lvl cap its probably getting worse.


OMG can we please play the jobs first and complain later?
Sch got Miasma II back after a month in SB because we actually played the job and then gave feedback.

And i assume im getting called a "white knight" soon, so we need a word for "opposite white knight"... someone who always sees and complains about the worst possible outcome before even trying it...

[Kurando]

Nothing to get a response about, this is pretty much the build we are getting for 5.0 as it's too late to change anything drastically now. Save your ideas for adjustments after the expac releases and more players actually get to try the jobs, then later patches may get done changes if need be. I'll continue to queue as a healer, thanks OP for claiming "no one is happy" when it is not entirely correctly...

[Reiryuu]

And i assume im getting called a "white knight" soon, so we need a word for "opposite white knight"... someone who always sees and complains about the worst possible outcome before even trying it...

Only for it to be taken out again this time around for... reasons so they can get it back again once people complain....? Look. "Wait until you play" was used last expansion with WHM. Where did WHM end up? Exactly where people thought it would as soon as the media tour was over. Same tired arugments. Yes. We know SE's history. And they repeat their history and mistakes often especially when it comes to healers. There is plenty of evidence coming out from E3 and the media tour and you're like "Nope, can't see it. Gotta touch it first." It's like a police officer saying "That smoking gun obviously hasn't been fired recently because I haven't touched it yet."

1) WHM is basically the same-- but this is an expansion, and many jobs have been given new and different tools... shouldn't WHMs feel different in similar ways? I could play WHM the same as I do now without even using the new skills that's how uninteresting they are. And the thing is, I would probably do just fine in ShB content from what evidence is showing us currently. That's pretty sad.

2) AST has a different, less interesting card system. Exactly what people are complaining about. DPS isn't really the same since Lord was changed. (I used it a lot on AST when I got it at least >.>; ) Then they got more WHM clone skills when they should have tried to differentiate the two classes more.

3) Why do SCH have to wait till 80 to determine if something is boring? They can determine that now just by looking at how often they use the skills that aren't there anymore.

4) WHY DO HEALERS HAVE TO BE BORING AT HIGH LEVELS TOO?! RANDOM CAPS LOCK!!!11!

[Laphael]

Only for it to be taken out again this time around for... reasons so they can get it back again once people complain....? Look. "Wait until you play" was used last expansion with WHM. Where did WHM end up? Exactly where people thought it would as soon as the media tour was over. Same tired arugments. Yes. We know SE's history. And they repeat their history and mistakes often especially when it comes to healers. There is plenty of evidence coming out from E3 and the media tour and you're like "Nope, can't see it. Gotta touch it first." It's like a police officer saying "That smoking gun obviously hasn't been fired recently because I haven't touched it yet."

1) WHM is basically the same-- but this is an expansion, and many jobs have been given new and different tools... shouldn't WHMs feel different in similar ways? I could play WHM the same as I do now without even using the new skills that's how uninteresting they are. And the thing is, I would probably do just fine in ShB content from what evidence is showing us currently. That's pretty sad.

2) AST has a different, less interesting card system. Exactly what people are complaining about. DPS isn't really the same since Lord was changed. (I used it a lot on AST when I got it at least >.>; ) Then they got more WHM clone skills when they should have tried to differentiate the two classes more.

3) Why do SCH have to wait till 80 to determine if something is boring? They can determine that now just by looking at how often they use the skills that aren't there anymore.

4) WHY DO HEALERS HAVE TO BE BORING AT HIGH LEVELS TOO?! RANDOM CAPS LOCK!!!11!

It´s almost funny.

Fuuuu they didn´t change WHM enough
Fuuuu they canged SCH to much
Fuuuu they changed AST

like what? XD

[Darkpaw]

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Do you know why the "Wait til you play" argument keeps popping up? Because it's generally common sense and common decency. The real world equivalent would be like making a reservation at a new restaurant and before you even go and experience it for yourself you log onto yelp and bash the place because you heard some people say a few negative things about it and have no clue if they've even been there themselves. You don't know anything yet, you don't see the full picture yet. You feel like you have a grasp on it, and these meltdowns and childish demands for replies and expectations of the devs to drop everything they are doing to answer these complaints, and before this gets out of hand when I say you I don't mean you personally I mean the healer outrage crowd in general. just so that's clear. Machinists did the same thing in stormblood, they beat their chests, blew up these forums, everyone said it was pointless but they continued to do so, the difference being machinists actually had gameplay proof and tons of experience with the job to be able to bring real feedback to the dev team.

So why yes it seems like dire straights, there's a thing called empathy and understanding. The healers should try to look at this from the dev team's perspective. See why they made these changes. What caused it, what can be the future of it. And do it with an open mind. Don't just scream homogenization or whatever other buzzword has been floating around. Really try to put yourself in their shoes. If you were a developer and you had to make all of these jobs accessible to ALL types of players.. from the most casual to the most hardcore.. what would you have done differently. how would you balance it amongst each of the other healers and against all of the other roles. Come up with solutions not complaints. VIABLE solutions that don't just cater to one crowd but everyone.

[Shurrikhan]

You're very unlikely to get anything except an "I know" from Yoshi P if the subject comes up. That's all he really said in Stormblood aside from "Wait till 70."

This time:

"Wait til 80..."

You mean, we'll be surprised once we do? There's something we missed?

"No, it will just leave me an extra couple weeks to sound as if I'm ignoring you for good reason before I ignore you for a year and a half regardless. Every week counts."

[Reiryuu]

Do you know why the "Wait til you play" argument keeps popping up? Because it's generally common sense and common decency. The real world equivalent would be like making a reservation at a new restaurant and before you even go and experience it for yourself you log onto yelp and bash the place because you heard some people say a few negative things about it and have no clue if they've even been there themselves.

A restaurant that I have been eating at for 4+ years, have seen the service, have been witnessing the lower quality food and seeing the new "cow pie" menu and not wanting to consume it, you mean?

It´s almost funny.

Fuuuu they didn´t change WHM enough
Fuuuu they canged SCH to much
Fuuuu they changed AST

like what? XD

False rage much? I don't know why you think I was sounding like I was mad my caps were just mirroring yours, but the point stands. RDM got a whole new set of AoEs this expansion. WHM got... more of exactly the same that it's already had plus a skill that combines 2 skills that got taken away from it as its level 80 skill this expansion. You may think that's awesome. I don't. I don't need to be level 80 to experience these spells to know that I really don't need any of them. Will I use them? Maybe? May as well, but they certainly don't add anything to the job. Is that not what we should expect from an expansion? Expanding on what a job can do?