Feeling punished for having alts...

[Heavenchild]

I am going to try again...

You don't need to understand WHY people have different playstyles. You just have to accept it.

I mean, I could also say, you're way of experience the whole game with just one char is dumb. xD

But I don't! Everyone should play the way he/she likes to. So please stop this: "There's no need for alts."
That's YOUR playstyle. And that's fine for you. But not all are the same.

I don't understand what you're discussing about in this matter.

My experience is, for example, that playing as a Lalafell is a totally different game-feeling, than playing any other race. Starts with: All Lalafell are friends. That makes a huge difference...

I created a Lalafell alt. And I love it to change between my characters now. Sometimes Elezen, sometimes Lalafell. Other players are reacting totally different on each char. A few days ago my Lalafell got invited for 3 marriages, at just one day. xD

And he was giftet over 2 million Gil until know. I play him just for about 3 Weeks yet. It's much more easy to get to know new people and just have fun in game. It's an interesting experience.
Thats a way of experience the game from a different view. I like that very much. It's totally okay if some of you are happy with one. But accept that people are different, okay?

Honestly I wouldn't want to be 'always' a Lalafell. xD
So an alt is the best solution for me. I bought msq for my alt. Really didn't want to be forced to do everything again. If I want I can do newGame+.

There are so many reasons why people play different. We just should accept others preferences.

And at least the system for alts in the game is not very nice at the moment. That's the point. And only that!
Let's hope that SE is going to help people who are using alts. Their game really has weak spots in this matter. Really want to be able to use my house with my alt for example. A little bit of trading would also be nice.

And for all, who play just one character: Maybe the topic of this thread isn't 'your' theme in first place. You don't have issues with that weak spot.
So I am wondering what you're doing here. :P haha

Have a nice day, all of you! <3
(sorry for bad English)

[negiman4]

There is no legitimate reason to use an alt in FFXIV. Everything in the game can be done on a single character. If you don't like how you look, get a frikkin fantasia. The game even hands you one for free at level 50. You can play all classes, clear all content, collect all items, achieve all achievements, and unlock all features on a single character. Why on earth would you need another?

[Iscah]

If you don't like how you look, get a frikkin fantasia. The game even hands you one for free at level 50.

And that one free Fantasia is going to get me how far in regularly switching between my seven characters?

I'm quite happy with how all of them look, so they're staying as they are.

Sorry not sorry that I'm not playing with my collection of virtual dolls the way you think I'm supposed to.

[Zumi]

There is no legitimate reason to use an alt in FFXIV. Everything in the game can be done on a single character. If you don't like how you look, get a frikkin fantasia. The game even hands you one for free at level 50. You can play all classes, clear all content, collect all items, achieve all achievements, and unlock all features on a single character. Why on earth would you need another?

Some people want to be able to do the current raid multiple times a week or have different groups so they need alts.

[Lium]

As I said before, having alts is part of the MMO experience.

[negiman4]

As I said before, having alts is part of the MMO experience.

"It's basically mandatory in other MMOs, therefore it's a staple of MMOs and is or should be part of FFXIV."
Having alts is not part of the MMO experience. That is a conscious choice YOU made for yourself, however illogical that choice may be. Nobody made you do it, and it's not necessary for you to do it to get maximum enjoyment out of the game. FFXIV is not other MMOs. There's a lot of things FFXIV does differently from WoW or ESO. The ability to do everything on a single character is a unique feature of FFXIV, thereby rendering alts completely counter-intuitive and inefficient for FFXIV specifically.

And that one free Fantasia is going to get me how far in regularly switching between my seven characters?

I'm quite happy with how all of them look, so they're staying as they are.

Sorry not sorry that I'm not playing with my collection of virtual dolls the way you think I'm supposed to.

People who use alts will never make sense to me. If you're happy with how they look, why would you use a fantasia? My point still stands: there's no tangible, useful, or logical reason to have alts in FFXIV. All you're doing is doubling the work for yourself.

[Iscah]

People who use alts will never make sense to me. If you're happy with how they look, why would you use a fantasia? My point still stands: there's no tangible, useful, or logical reason to have alts in FFXIV. All you're doing is doubling the work for yourself.

You're the one who said people should use a Fantasia if they want to change their character. I said I'm not going to.

I have multiple characters because they're specific individual characters with their own names and appearances. They're not shapeshifters - that would be weird, not to mention expensive, requiring multiple Fantasias and name changes a week.

I made multiple characters because I like inventing them, playing with them, dressing them up and simply seeing them in action. I want to have them all available to me when I feel like doing that. That outweighs the inconvenience of levelling them up, to me, and in any case I'm selective about what I do with them compared to my main.

I think I mentioned earlier, in some ways it's actually less restrictive for glamour to keep the characters separate. Each one of them gets their own fifteen plates and 400 dresser slots. None of the plates are the same from character to character, and their dresser contents are different too. Aurelie has dresses and skirts that my male characters aren't going to wear, and her dresser is packed full without including half the things I regularly use for other characters. Sylviel and Haru are polar opposites in fashion taste. U'zolwe has more modern casual gear that I don't tend to use for others. And so on. Each one is differently tilted to what the character would wear and which classes they have levelled.

I also like the story, and first started alts specifically to replay it - though I'd already been playing around in the character creator at that point and both Bryna and Sylviel were "ready and waiting to go" as character concepts already taking on personalities.

So yeah. I can "do everything on one character"... except have multiple characters available to pick up and play with whenever I like, or manage a hundred glamour plates between them*, or - at the time I started - replay the game story in its entirety. That's what my alts are for.


...it's still not enough plates. >_>

[Anarnee]

I'm really happy to see this thread get bumped. I'm annoyed there is still no QoL for alts.

Even if you believe that you don't need alts to enjoy the game, it doesn't change the fact that we pay for multiple characters and they shouldn't make it so hard to trade items between them.

Just because I like how one character looks doesn't negate the point that I can love and enjoy a character with a different look.

If I want to cap two, three, four, five TWENTY characters a week, it's not hurting you.

There are plenty of reasons to want alts, and just because it's not for you, it doesn't mean it's useless or intangible.

[negiman4]

I'm really happy to see this thread get bumped. I'm annoyed there is still no QoL for alts.

Even if you believe that you don't need alts to enjoy the game, it doesn't change the fact that we pay for multiple characters and they shouldn't make it so hard to trade items between them.

Just because I like how one character looks doesn't negate the point that I can love and enjoy a character with a different look.

If I want to cap two, three, four, five TWENTY characters a week, it's not hurting you.

There are plenty of reasons to want alts, and just because it's not for you, it doesn't mean it's useless or intangible.

There's no QoL for alts because that goes against how the game was designed in the first place. If they suddenly made things just for people with alts, then there'd be more of a reason to have alts and people would feel like they're now required to have alts to get maximum enjoyment out of the game, which would completely negate one of the main things that sets FFXIV apart from other MMOs. If you want FFXIV to be more like other MMOs, go play those MMOs. If you want to cap out two to twenty characters per week, more power to you. Just know that you're going to have to live with the fact that FFXIV wasn't designed for that kind of playstyle. You can totally play it that way, but it'll cost you, and it'll be extremely inconvenient for you.

[Anarnee]

There's no QoL for alts because that goes against how the game was designed in the first place. If they suddenly made things just for people with alts, then there'd be more of a reason to have alts and people would feel like they're now required to have alts to get maximum enjoyment out of the game, which would completely negate one of the main things that sets FFXIV apart from other MMOs. If you want FFXIV to be more like other MMOs, go play those MMOs. If you want to cap out two to twenty characters per week, more power to you. Just know that you're going to have to live with the fact that FFXIV wasn't designed for that kind of playstyle. You can totally play it that way, but it'll cost you, and it'll be extremely inconvenient for you.

This makes no sense. The game was made with a lot of flaws. The game was designed to not let us change jobs unless we were in a sanctuary. The game was designed to not let us call our chocobos out while we were in queue. The game was designed to not have a minimum item level for leveling dungeons.

They changed those things.

Yes, it is inconvenient. That is why we're asking the dev team to change it. I don't want to play other mmos, I'm asking for a change to the one MMO that I play. I pay for extra characters, I would like more features for the things that I pay for. I don't think we're being unreasonable. If alts were not meant to be a feature then they wouldn't be in the game.

But keep on with your strawmans. I don't mind if people have a valid reasoning to protest the request of a feature, but just saying you don't want it, just because, is not valid.

Either way you're keeping the thread on the front page so hopefully that will get us more attention.