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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    But it is a viable solution. There is very few reasons to actually have alt characters in this game when you can literally do every single job on one character.

    Be honest. The reason people want to be able to mail stuff to alts is to not have to buy extra retainers. Retainer fees do suck ( as someone who is a glam hoarder and full crafter)
    Actually the only time I've wanted to be able to trade between my alts was so I could give my one character all the furniture from my two houses without needing to go through six hoops of nonsense in between. (Since I realize that might seem odd, it was because I was transferring one character off server and abandoning the second house :P)

    And whether few or not, there are reasons to have alts, and for the people who want to have them for whatever reason they do? "Just don't" is not a viable solution.

    I've been an altoholic in every MMO I've ever played, but it's so actively unfun and inconvenient in this game that I stopped paying the extra money and throw the $2 at an extra retainer instead. Way better value tbqh.
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  2. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    But it is a viable solution. There is very few reasons to actually have alt characters in this game when you can literally do every single job on one character.
    It's not a viable solution when it dismisses and contradicts the problem rather than it helps.
    Yes, we are more than aware that there's not much incentives to play alts, and how everything can be done on one character but people just want the game to be more alt-friendly, and saying "just don't use alts" not only doesn't contribute to anything helpful, but makes you look like an arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    I can't see how you can say you are being punished. The entire game is built in way that you don't have to create alts, unless you wanted to play on a different data centre or with a different character look. Granted, i think housing should be shared across all of your characters on the data centre.

    The thing is, even for story replay-ability they have created New Game Plus so more and more there is less incentive for us to create and play alts. Which to me can only be a good thing.
    Don't forget coffer limitations in savage. Can't play with friends because of this so had to make an alt I only pull out for savage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    But it is a viable solution. There is very few reasons to actually have alt characters in this game when you can literally do every single job on one character.

    Be honest. The reason people want to be able to mail stuff to alts is to not have to buy extra retainers. Retainer fees do suck ( as someone who is a glam hoarder and full crafter)
    A great number of people in this thread explained why they like having alts but sure, go on with your imaginary world.
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  5. #165
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    Let us do cross world FC trade chests for our alts in every world, that will be ideal for me.
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    Feels like the main reason to alt would be to socialize in a new way. For example, to have a completely different character for roleplay purposes that could still easily get into, for example, Kugane, with little/low effort.

    Unfortunately, SE might feel this could cut into Boost (and possibly Fantasia) profits. You'd be basically getting 7 or whatever [story-free boosted] equivalents that you can switch to at will, and go anywhere your "main" had unlocked.

    That being said, OP still has valid points about the inability of shared account, which is a bit different than "just socializing/roleplaying". Why indeed are your other characters treated like completely alien entities instead of being part of the same shared-resources family o.O

    It's your account, which you've paid for to unlock all those slots, so why indeed is the sharing of the data so restricted? The little things like titles would suddenly be absent when you switched to someone else.

    I don't alt in this game, but I've played a bunch of GW2, so I can definitely feel OP's pain.
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    Last edited by icy_; 12-08-2019 at 09:50 PM.

  8. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Shared housing,mail etc. Help RMT as well and making dealing with them tougher, as it stands SE has a hard enough time dealiing with them but lets make it worse. Then listen to the community complain about it when they request features that helped make it worse knowing SE had trouble dealing with it from the start. Story and leveling boosts as it stands add to the problem but that dont matter lets up the issue further. Better idea how about SE make more effort to fight RMT before they start adding shared anything..
    SE not having a hard time and the STF that handles it are doing an excellent job in keeping this game fair.
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  9. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    But it is a viable solution. There is very few reasons to actually have alt characters in this game when you can literally do every single job on one character.

    Be honest. The reason people want to be able to mail stuff to alts is to not have to buy extra retainers. Retainer fees do suck ( as someone who is a glam hoarder and full crafter)
    - Right now I have BiS on all healers class, 2 tanks class, 1 melee class, all casters classes, 2 ranges class. That would not be possible with a single weekly lockout on raid drop and tome cap.
    - I have 6 crafting specialist, instead of 3. I know people who have all 9, don't have to worry about swapping specialization.
    - Double dipping on Customer Deliveries. In fact, the reason I can afford my house all the way back in 2.0 was because I had 3 alts running Excalt daily to get sealant to sale. And only until recently due to SE decided to make crafting a "grind" again with the Sublime solutions, I had never had to grind collectable turn in or buy materia from the MB. 2 sets of Weekly delivery was more than enough to keep me supplied.
    - Play difference races without burning your money on fantasia once in a while. Retainer fee is chump change comparing to that. And I don't even use retainers inventory on my alts.

    Be honest - just because you can't think of what to do with alt, doesn't mean other people don't.


    I'm someone who never sold on the "benefit" of doing everything on one character, for the most part, it offers no benefit to my play style and in some case even detrimental.

    - Lvling suck: in most other MMO going through quest and story is the main way to lvling. I never really enjoy the lvling in this game, once get your first class to max-lvl via story content/quest, all subsequent class can only be leveled by repeating "grinding". Also I suspiciously think this is the reason the side quest structure in this game is very mundane and unrewarding.

    - Having more than one class max doesn't really matter much when you're still subjected to weekly locked out on pretty much EVERYTHING just like any other MMOs. I guess it's fine if someone just plays casually or "having a class at 80 just for the sake of having it", but if you're the type who enjoyed "actually" multiclass as in "invested" in it, the system in this game is pretty much a moot point.

    - Crafting&Gathering: while at first I thought it's nice to have everything on one characters. But this is the reason why Omni-crafters are so powerful in this game in term of controlling the market. Or were - it's fairly obvious SE see this as a problem and just went full casual in term of accessibility, and I fear it'll just create the opposite problems and that is making thing stagnant. The market economy of an MMO has always rely on inter-dependent between players to stay healthy, and right now we have a fairly good recipe to kill just that.
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  10. #169
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    But it is a viable solution. There is very few reasons to actually have alt characters in this game when you can literally do every single job on one character.

    Be honest. The reason people want to be able to mail stuff to alts is to not have to buy extra retainers. Retainer fees do suck ( as someone who is a glam hoarder and full crafter)
    I can't speak for others, but this is not the reason I want to be able to mail stuff to my alt. I want to send gear from my main to my alt, gil, etc. I want to send stuff I get on my alt to my main as that's where all my MB activity happens. I don't even have the retainers unlocked on my alt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CazzT View Post
    I can't speak for others, but this is not the reason I want to be able to mail stuff to my alt. I want to send gear from my main to my alt, gil, etc. I want to send stuff I get on my alt to my main as that's where all my MB activity happens. I don't even have the retainers unlocked on my alt.
    And if 1 person had 7 "alt" (1 main, 7 alt) characters per account they could mail stuff to that would be at least 14 extra free retainers (did they ever add a third? up to 21?) they'd have access to.. Not to mention the bot activity that could also abuse said mailings.

    Look, I despise paid retainers as it is, but I can see SE's reasoning here for not allowing you to mail stuff to yourself.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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