Feeling punished for having alts...

[Skivvy]

If SE truly didn't want alts to be made, they could have simply left it as one character per service account.

While a lot of people don't see the value in having alts, there are plenty of reasons why people make them. At the very least, I'd like to see them be able to mail things to each other and share housing.

[MistyMew]

If they didn't expect/want us to have alts we would not be allowed to have multiple characters created... period. To say we shouldn't is absurd.

More things do need to be account based/shared.
Mounts, reputation, a bit of bank space, implementation of account bound gear, ability to mail to all alts on any server etc.

please se , enter this century.

You do some wonderful and amazing things in this game, now please add some common sense for alts.
tyty

[Jojoya]

If they didn't expect/want us to have alts we would not be allowed to have multiple characters created... period. To say we shouldn't is absurd.

More things do need to be account based/shared.
Mounts, reputation, a bit of bank space, implementation of account bound gear, ability to mail to all alts on any server etc.

please se , enter this century.

You do some wonderful and amazing things in this game, now please add some common sense for alts.
tyty

You're welcome to have alts if you want.

But you're also welcome to have each alt put in the effort needed to get the rewards you want for it rather than having one character do all the work to feed the rest.

About the only requests I agree with is the ability to send mail between your own characters and to share a house since houses are per account not character.

Common sense says if you want something on an alt, then you should earn it on that alt. There's nothing stopping you from going out and earning a mount or title for your alt if you want that alt to have that mount or title.

[SaberMaxwell]

You're welcome to have alts if you want.

But you're also welcome to have each alt put in the effort needed to get the rewards you want for it rather than having one character do all the work to feed the rest.

If you're looking at it as though your characters are each independent entities, sure. It's equally valid to say that they are not, and are instead themselves puppets of the player--avatars for them, if you will. From that point of view, my character didn't do the work, I did, so saying that one character is doing all the work to feed the rest feels like an odd statement.

Common sense says if you want something on an alt, then you should earn it on that alt. There's nothing stopping you from going out and earning a mount or title for your alt if you want that alt to have that mount or title.

There's plenty stopping me from clearing Ultimate on an alt character right now: time, gear, and a team to name a few. Again, my character didn't do the work to kill Ultimate, I did.

Have I killed Ultimate on an alt? Yes. I would like, however, that at least some achievements be recognized account-wide.

[CazzT]

If you're looking at it as though your characters are each independent entities, sure. It's equally valid to say that they are not, and are instead themselves puppets of the player--avatars for them, if you will.

Except it's not. Literally nothing about the story could even be twisted to imply or say this about the characters. The "multiple worlds" don't even have copies of us that made different choices. It's literally unique individuals on all the worlds. The events that happen are similar, but the peoples are all unique.

[Melichoir]

Of course that's it. That's the whole purpose of why people are asking for it.

Currently, you have to set up a private FC to be able to have a shared bank where you can transfer stuff between your alts, but that means having to forego the social purpose of an FC, since you can't be in more than one.

We'd like something like the FC chest but which is shared among our alts rather than among our FC-mates.

They wont give you this though. They would do it like MMOs that do give you 'shared banking'. In FFXIVs case, theyll just make it retainers are spread across all characters total, rather than retainers per character. This will result in less space per account, not more, which will cost people who use Alts for crafting much needed space. Especially since from a functional standpoint, having an alt will be a pretty moot outside of crafting and storage in 2 weeks with NG+

There's plenty stopping me from clearing Ultimate on an alt character right now: time, gear, and a team to name a few. Again, my character didn't do the work to kill Ultimate, I did.

Have I killed Ultimate on an alt? Yes. I would like, however, that at least some achievements be recognized account-wide.

No. Youre using meta-reasons why an alt that the game treats as a unique individual in world should have access to things. Short of Mogstation items in of themselves and a few exceptions, the game overwhelmingly treats every character as their own person, not an avatar of the player. As a point, youre not gonna have the "Ultimate Legend" title at level 15 and havent even done one dungeon yet. You may have worked the keyboard, but to the world your avatar inhabits, 'you' dont exist, they do. Pretty much think of htis like a DnD campaign. If you roll a character that gets accolades for an accomplishment, rerolling a new character for whatever reason in that campaign will not net you those accolades. Youll be treated as a brand new person.

From a business standpoint, you want that nice achievement on your alt, then grind and gear and work it out on your alt. Spend that time, as it's money in SEs pocket. They dont owe you access to achievements on alts. It's a convenience you want for purely personal reasoning. From a business standpoint, it would be a detriment to them to just hand over that feature to you.

[SaberMaxwell]

No. Youre using meta-reasons why an alt that the game treats as a unique individual in world should have access to things.

Yes. Because from my point of view this is an entirely meta issue.

Short of Mogstation items in of themselves and a few exceptions, the game overwhelmingly treats every character as their own person, not an avatar of the player. As a point, youre not gonna have the "Ultimate Legend" title at level 15 and havent even done one dungeon yet.

Yet with NG+ I can do this. Yet I can functionally do identical to this by grabbing GLD and hitting up Sastasha.

You may have worked the keyboard, but to the world your avatar inhabits, 'you' dont exist, they do. Pretty much think of htis like a DnD campaign. If you roll a character that gets accolades for an accomplishment, rerolling a new character for whatever reason in that campaign will not net you those accolades. Youll be treated as a brand new person.

The difference between this and a DnD session is me re-rolling the character doesn't restart the campaign, and there is the distinct possibility of the re-roll getting the old character's gear. So there are already big differences between this and your example; that said, I already boldly stated my point of view that the character is an avatar for me--you know, the part you quoted and said "No. Meta points of view don't count."

From a business standpoint, you want that nice achievement on your alt, then grind and gear and work it out on your alt. Spend that time, as it's money in SEs pocket. They dont owe you access to achievements on alts. It's a convenience you want for purely personal reasoning. From a business standpoint, it would be a detriment to them to just hand over that feature to you.

You're absolutely right. I also pay extra money for the privilege of having an alt. Likewise, with this reasoning, there are no exceptions, even the ones that are generally agreed to be 'okay' to be account-wide, like mogstation: spend the extra money, get the mogstation items that they want.

Except it's not. Literally nothing about the story could even be twisted to imply or say this about the characters. The "multiple worlds" don't even have copies of us that made different choices. It's literally unique individuals on all the worlds. The events that happen are similar, but the peoples are all unique.

It feels like you both read my post and didn't. Melichoir was on the mark saying it's meta reasoning. One thing that is in common with all of your characters no matter what, unless you're breaking ToS, is you, the player. As stated in the post, if you look at it from the meta perspective of the player having done the work, not the character, then the statement "Why have Saber Maxwell work hard and Vergil Maxwell get the rewards?" when, from my point of view, me the player is both of them.

[Mikki]

I've always just felt like they don't want you to have ults because 1) they feel it "defeats the purpose" of their job system and 2) FANTASIAS. If you could easily have a Viera ult, you may not change your main for example.

I could be entirely wrong but that's what I've always felt.

[Xatsh]

I think they should allow mailing between all accounts on a service account by default, that just makes sense. Either that or make like a storage chest that can store non-rare/ex stuff and gil that is account wide. Outside that I see no reason for anything else. The game is designed to be played on 1 character.


And for those commenting about why allow multiple character slots if they do not want alts. You are actually paying extra for that. the $12.99 sub is 1 per account it cost $2 more for the extras. (The $12.99 is not a discount, this has always been SE's mmo base sub cost all the way back to ffxi in 2004ish, and like that game to have extra characters it cost more)



One of the main draws of FFXI and FFXIV were you did not need alts to do everything the game has to offer, you had your 1 character which became your avatar in game. The option for alts is there but it was never a focus like other mmos where they were required to experience everything or change jobs. I currently see no reason to link everything to alts like in other games, since you can literally do everything on 1 character in ffxiv.


Outside RP there is no reason to have alts, simple as that.



For those not wanting to repeat the story.. I think it cost like $17-20 depending on the sale to skip it. Or you play a "New Game" when you start a new character.

[Matheron]

I think they should allow mailing between all accounts on a service account by default, that just makes sense. Either that or make like a storage chest that can store non-rare/ex stuff and gil that is account wide. Outside that I see no reason for anything else. The game is designed to be played on 1 character.


And for those commenting about why allow multiple character slots if they do not want alts. You are actually paying extra for that. the $12.99 sub is 1 per account it cost $2 more for the extras. (The $12.99 is not a discount, this has always been SE's mmo base sub cost all the way back to ffxi in 2004ish, and like that game to have extra characters it cost more)



One of the main draws of FFXI and FFXIV were you did not need alts to do everything the game has to offer, you had your 1 character which became your avatar in game. The option for alts is there but it was never a focus like other mmos where they were required to experience everything or change jobs. I currently see no reason to link everything to alts like in other games, since you can literally do everything on 1 character in ffxiv.


Outside RP there is no reason to have alts, simple as that.



For those not wanting to repeat the story.. I think it cost like $17-20 depending on the sale to skip it. Or you play a "New Game" when you start a new character.

Actualy, the standard base sub is $14.99/account
I currently have four characters and I have not been charged extra for them
As for alts, it's your account what other people say shouldn't matter.