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  1. #1
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    GrizzlyTank's Avatar
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    Livia Bloodletter
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    Dancer Lv 100

    Feeling punished for having alts...

    No easy way to skip the main story to reach endgame.
    No shared bank.
    No shared achievements.
    No shared seasonal and event items.
    No shared housing.

    Store items are for one character only

    And cant even send gil or materials between characters on the same server without friends or a contrived transfer on the market board.

    Basic functionalities in other MMO's completely absent from this one... And we are hitting the 3rd expansion now.

    Sorry i guess for wanting to play different looking characters without leaving my main behind or having to do most events multiple times, or to not having to think about inventory always filling up because i decided to play more than one job...

    Edit: added to first point.

    Edit 2: Not to mention that you can't make an alt on a server you are on whenever you want due to random server restrictions...
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    Rihan Nurarihyon
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    I can't see how you can say you are being punished. The entire game is built in way that you don't have to create alts, unless you wanted to play on a different data centre or with a different character look. Granted, i think housing should be shared across all of your characters on the data centre.

    The thing is, even for story replay-ability they have created New Game Plus so more and more there is less incentive for us to create and play alts. Which to me can only be a good thing.
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    Elja Djt-dvre
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    Well, the main reason is that you technically don't need alts in this game, I suppose, since you can level and have everything just on one. Wishing to have different looking characters is not the same as having twinks because you need them to level another jobs. So it's not a punishment, really.

    No easy way to skip the main story.
    There is. It's for real money, but it is an easy way to skip MSQ. Speaking about "skipping MSQ option for alts specifically" - I can't really imagine how they would implement it. Much harder to do than it sounds.

    Store items are for one character only
    Depends on item btw. Some of them (mainly expensive mounts) are account-wide. But clothes are all for one character if I remember correct, that's true.

    Shared bank will not solve "inventory for multiply jobs" issue sadly, though having such function would be cool anyway, because it will solve broblems with sending items to alts.

    Shared housing seems to be a problem now because we can't add our alts to Friend List, but maybe they could adress it in future somehow, making it unnedable to buy a house on every character. Maybe it also will solve the problem with plots on overpopulated servers... probably not, though.

    As for events and seasonal items - as much as I personally would wish to have them as account-wide thing, they are locked behind quests, so I assume it's going to happen... never.
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  4. #4
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvaire View Post
    I can't see how you can say you are being punished. The entire game is built in way that you don't have to create alts, unless you wanted to play on a different data centre or with a different character look. Granted, i think housing should be shared across all of your characters on the data centre.

    The thing is, even for story replay-ability they have created New Game Plus so more and more there is less incentive for us to create and play alts. Which to me can only be a good thing.
    Lots of us have alts. Things outlined in the OP are pretty reasonable. This can all be done on one character line doesn't float. You can't use multiple races on one character so if you want to play multiples you need alts. You also pay extra for additional characters with your monthly sub.

    These are very reasonable requests in my opinion and they do exist in other mmo's but not this one.

    No easy way to skip the main story.
    No shared bank.
    No shared achievements.
    No shared seasonal and event items.
    No shared housing.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 06-13-2019 at 07:17 PM.

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    Nettle Creidne
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    No easy way to skip the main story.
    I feel like if you want to skip this then why not just play a different class on your main? Also you can buy the skip potion. That is pretty easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    No shared bank.
    This wouldn't really be a problem if we could mail our alts.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    No shared achievements.
    I guess SE could introduce this but not sure if it's worth their time given the demand for it appears to be very low.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    No shared seasonal and event items.
    I personally wouldn't expect this given the character I'm on didn't complete it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    No shared housing.
    This needs to be done. A lot of players have multiple houses for this reason, which makes the current housing situation worse than it needs to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Store items are for one character only
    Not always the case. Some are account wide. Furthermore if you pay for extra retainers all your characters get them, not just your main.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    And cant even send gil or materials between characters on the same server without friends or a contrived transfer on the market board.
    I use the fc chest to trade things between my characters. I realise that I'm fortunate to be in the position of fc master so if I wanted to trade gil this way I don't have to ask anyone. The fc chest isn't a solution but it's something at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Basic functionalities in other MMO's completely absent from this one... And we are hitting the 3rd expansion now.
    You seem to be forgetting that unlike most mmos, this game is designed so that you can play every scrap of content on only one character to the point that it offers a subscription fee that covers only one character per server. While it is very annoying that the features are not alt-friendly a lot of the time, the game will never require you to make an alt. In most mmos you must make an alt to do basic content like try a new class, faction, explore certain zones, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Sorry i guess for wanting to play different looking characters without leaving my main behind or having to do most events multiple times, or to not having to think about inventory always filling up because i decided to play more than one job...
    I'm confused about the last bit. You have inventory issues due to playing multiple classes?
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  6. #6
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    Cenric Asher
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    Famfrit
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    This mindset is honestly kind of weird to me, as someone who has a freakish number of alts and has had a freakish number of alts across games including single-player ones.

    It's nice to have access to all the gear you want. It's nice not to need to grind through the ridiculously lengthy bits of ARR. But for me at least, I think there's a massive question of why you want alts.

    If you want to change aesthetic, you can fantasia with various designs saved to switch between at will. That way you keep all your gear and don't have to replay. You can go back anytime too, just need to return to the save file for the previous design.

    If you're like me and are basically someone who likes developing independent stories/personalities/designs for alts and basically want all of them kept on hand, part of the fun can come from going back through different jobs + MSQ and figuring out what angle makes sense for that specific WoL. There's an opportunity to look at things from new perspectives.

    If you feel particularly impatient, ARR skip into Heavensward is an option too. You can revisit old cutscenes with the book at the inn, if not everything in-between. And with New Game + that'll make less pressure as well, so don't need to feel intense regret about the investment. Costs money but that's the price of not working through the whole thing.

    And depending on how invested you are in an alt will effect that alt's progress of course. If you've only got one alt, you're more likely to get it pretty far whereas if you have like twelve, odds are most will be pretty low-level barring purchased advances.

    There are ways to deal basically. You get what you give for each character. Figure this is part of why people commit to mains in-general tbh, alts take effort and it's easier to get attached the first go-around.
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    Last edited by Jaywalker; 06-13-2019 at 07:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    If you want to change aesthetic, you can fantasia with various designs saved to switch between at will.
    I think the whole point is they don't want to have to drop £5.75 to change up every time. An alt character is a time-consuming but otherwise free alternative to that.

    I agree that there should be a shared bank between characters. Especially ones on the same World. But I can't see it being a priority. The game is designed to discourage alts.
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    It's not that you are punished for having an alt. It's that you're rewarded for not having one. *shrug*
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    Velikayl Minx
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    I have no interest in skipping msq on an alt, because for me that's one of the main reasons to play an alt, to see the story through their perspective.

    But the rest of the list I very much agree on.

    Not being able to trade items to an alt without either conscripting a 3rd party, or having safe access to an fc chest that you can deposit/take from, is a real pain. I personally don't care about housing, but I definitely think it should be shared across alts to ease some of the housing congestion.

    Doing a seasonal event is fun, but doing it on all your alts makes it a boring, annoying grind, depending on the event. If achievements could be account wide, once your main does it, your alts could just go buy the items from the calamity salvager or something.

    As for the mogstation items, since they've said there's a limit to how much account wide things they can fit in their current system, they need to come up with a new way of handling account wide items(ie not stored in a database and mailed to all alts on creation) sooner rather than later so that all the cash shop items (other than furniture/consumables) can be account wide.
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  10. #10
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    Livia Bloodletter
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    Quote Originally Posted by seraseth View Post
    As for the mogstation items, since they've said there's a limit to how much account wide things they can fit in their current system, they need to come up with a new way of handling account wide items(ie not stored in a database and mailed to all alts on creation) sooner rather than later so that all the cash shop items (other than furniture/consumables) can be account wide.
    This argument by the devs is always fun... The additional storage they have given us with saddlebags, inventory, armory chest, wardrobe, and additional retainer absolutely dwarfs the storage they would have needed for proper account bound systems. They have said one thing and then contradicted it... With an asinine implementation.
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