Suspended for Otter Nonsense

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

[Joven]

HOLY SH.... I REMEMBER THAT LOL. Damn I feel bad for that person :c They got rushed :C.

Yeah, they didn't deserve all that hate just for trying to make funny threads.

[Zeonx]

I'd be careful.

I am at my cousins house, he tried to get a second appeal and wanted transcripts of why he was banned the exact reasons in detail to point out why he was perma banned from forums because he is dyslexic and has a hard time understanding some things.

they basically told him no second reviews and they aren't going to give him transcripts of his bans or even explain.

I kinda remember some of his post and that's why he wanted to see some transcripts because he feels they were bias versus him, since recently he's been noticing poster's saying some of the stuff he was banned for and no action was put against them.

Now he really think's that the reason was he put a SNK signature when SE and SNK were having a lawsuit over comics he believe that his ban was over that due to that his signature was being removed everytime a temp ban happened then they had to give a excuse why he was banned which were small things everyone post every day like the word LAZY <--- cmon that is jacked up he see's people directing it at others and posting pictures also same as he did no action done.

nothing wrong with snk vs capcom signature either not much he can do now he got final answer but watch out to others.

just be careful all cause I remember what he was banned for it was very tiny things even asking for skull armor and banned the person below for asking for macho gear trust me it happened.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Dualgunner.
Cassandra_Solidor.
VanillexFang.
Sir_Rawrz.
Lorgana.
Selli.
Dervy.

These are all names I can think of off of the top of my head of people who've been permabanned; of them I know five, and talk to them frequently on Discord. Dualgunner was banned for a meme, Sir_Rawrz was banned for light profanity, Dervy was banned for numbercrunching on the forums (he said the "P" word), Vanille made the mistake of posting a screencap of FFLogs on the OF, Selli was banned for a ridiculously silly reason.

Someone said it's a three-strike system. For some it is, for most of the people I know it's two-strike, and it's a permanent record. Dualgunner's bans were two years apart from one another, and Cassandra's bans were four years apart from one another.

The otter everyone got tempbanned for? That's gonna be there forever. If most of these people ever see another ban, that otter will add to their likelihood to make it permaban.

Hmmm. Did these users get an in-game ban or just a forum ban? I'm used to the old school days where the forums were a separate beast (with a separate login even). But these seem to be tied to accounts, which I suppose makes them exclusive (you can make a Square Enix account that is separate from the game on the SE site--or you used to be able to) but also a pain if you get banned. I stand corrected, but I still wouldn't be afraid to speak my mind because I'd rather be struck mute than to be too afraid to speak at all. Would I ask for an appeal? Certainly. After some time had passed. But in the end, so long as my game doesn't suffer I that's the most important part imo. But yeah. Still a bit on the messed up side. :\

[Zeonx]

Hmmm. Did these users get an in-game ban or just a forum ban? I'm used to the old school days where the forums were a separate beast (with a separate login even). But these seem to be tied to accounts, which I suppose makes them exclusive (you can make a Square Enix account that is separate from the game on the SE site--or you used to be able to) but also a pain if you get banned. I stand corrected, but I still wouldn't be afraid to speak my mind because I'd rather be struck mute than to be too afraid to speak at all. Would I ask for an appeal? Certainly. After some time had passed. But in the end, so long as my game doesn't suffer I that's the most important part imo. But yeah. Still a bit on the messed up side. :\

That is another thing, yes they are connected, so if you need help with a problem you cannot come and ask tech support for help, I think you get locked out of forum contest also, whats funny is if you don't pay sub 14 days after your last log in you cannot post anymore till you re-sub also you cannot get un banned they will tell you no even if you try to appeal it and if you ask for the reason why they'll tell you no even if others are posting what you were banned for and guess what they don't give you 2 ban appeals they tell you basically no, so why even have ban appeals? if they just tell you no funny right?

I don't even think they look over the issue cause if they can't provide you with evidence to your ban then why are you even banned? That to me is weird.

I usually go over cousins house and he put in appeal they would not give him a reason why he was banned wouldn't even tell him the reason he got one email a long time ago he said but that's it saying he said word L*zy he wanted to know why he was perma banned they told him they don't have to give him that.

but then like I said then why is he banned if they don't have a reason just seems weird to me. cousin said forget it because seems like he's being swept under rug because a GM messed up and they don't want to unban or don't know how to on forums.

[Joven]

Hmmm. Did these users get an in-game ban or just a forum ban? I'm used to the old school days where the forums were a separate beast (with a separate login even). But these seem to be tied to accounts, which I suppose makes them exclusive (you can make a Square Enix account that is separate from the game on the SE site--or you used to be able to) but also a pain if you get banned. I stand corrected, but I still wouldn't be afraid to speak my mind because I'd rather be struck mute than to be too afraid to speak at all. Would I ask for an appeal? Certainly. After some time had passed. But in the end, so long as my game doesn't suffer I that's the most important part imo. But yeah. Still a bit on the messed up side. :\

Even though you need an active subscription to post on the forums, I think they're considered separate accounts. So if you get banned from the forums you can still play. Though I would think that getting banned from here would sour your feelings towards the game since you can no longer give feedback through the official means. Which is why I feel like these forums need to be handled more delicately when it comes to suspensions and bans.

[NekoHina]

Oh, I apologize I wasn't saying other people should just sit back and accept what happened. Just stating that's how I'm personally taking it in regards to what happened with me. Apologies it's late and I'm a little loopy from lack of sleep, so that was my bad that that intention did not come across. My bad. D:

The whole thing was definitely confusing though, and that's one of the reasons I feel a mod post on the matter would have helped stem the sudden ban wave. While you can interpret a mass cull of otter memes to mean that the mods aren't happy with them, as is what happened at one point, if someone doesn't notice that and there's no official word on what's happening you're just left floundering in the dark with no way of knowing what to expect. The mods on this forum almost never pop in to big kerfuffles like that to actually tell people what they're doing wrong, and while often that might be okay, in this case it seems to have lead to a good chunk of the people who posted in that thread receiving temporary bans. Bans for actions that were perfectly acceptable in other threads at that. Which leads me to wonder if a report threshold was hit or some other invisible trip for automated flagging.

What we really need is transparency going forward. No more guess work as to what the mods are thinking. It seems like the mods assumed everyone who was banned knew what they were doing, but given the posts here I'd say most of us are just grasping at straws trying to put the whole picture together. That's not effective modding. All that does is make people leery of posting at all when the ban is lifted and just as likely to re-offend because they didn't get the full picture they were owed either before the ban was brought down as a warning, or after. Which is why a warning is usually pretty essential in modding, especially when it's on this kind of scale.

I dunno I respect the work the mods have to do as I'm a moderator myself in other places. Yet I really have to question a lot of their methods when we have incidences like this were a good handful or more people were banned and all only have small clues as to why.

^^^^^ THIS! Agree 100 percent.

I used to be the moderator on one of the official NFL forums and it was a tough job. But all warnings and bans had to have reasons given and they were allowed to discuss the situation. Also that action was the final option, first threads were locked and offensive posts deleted with warnings given in the actual thread so that anyone who went back to it knew that it had been shut down and why.

I give props to anyone who steps up to be a mod. It is a hard job. But it is important to have fair, consistent and equitable moderation across the board. I know that most people do not survive a second temporary ban. It is like it is automatic that they are kicked forever, despite their standing in the community or even if they were banned unfairly. Sometimes all it takes if for a group of players with a trollish mentality to mass together and decide to report posts from a certain player that they don’t like. The person could be someone who has stood up to them or disagreed with them in debates. Even if the person never crossed a line themselves (all the while being attacked), they will be the one who gets banned if enough of the “group” decide to start reporting the player, even if the reports are garbage.

I could list a lot of examples of very unfair and extremely inconsistent moderation when it comes to bans. People can post cursing all the time and yet I know someone personally who was banned for putting wingdings ($&#*) in their post instead of using any bad words. ??? The worst part is there is no recourse. You only get form letters from SE and can never talk to a person. Plus, the permanent bans are never lifted. The forum is the only place to enter official contests, report bugs, provide feedback and participate in the questions for the producer.

There are several veteran, long-standing players who have been with the game since the beta or even before, who were very well respected members of the forum community with hundreds/thousands of posts (many upvoted or liked numerous times), and they now can no longer participate due to circumstances like I described above. They are forced to go to less savory places if they want to have somewhere to talk about the game with others. Something REALLY needs to change. I truly hope that the team is reading this thread with an open mind. I hope they understand that we do appreciate the efforts and work they do. I, for one, simply think that the whole process could be vastly improved.

Thanks for listening,
Hina

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I think you get locked out of forum contest

You mean those contests that have had the same payout rewards since ARR? Buu. I get it though. I used to live on the Sony forums. They used to have separate forums for actual games released on their platforms and that's where I stayed (they still might). The only reason I started posting here was because there was a global outage and I was trying to help troubleshoot.

If they're not careful, this place could end up like the 'official' FF15 forums. Which is the saddest place on gamer earth. T-T

[SaberMaxwell]

Hmmm. Did these users get an in-game ban or just a forum ban? I'm used to the old school days where the forums were a separate beast (with a separate login even). But these seem to be tied to accounts, which I suppose makes them exclusive (you can make a Square Enix account that is separate from the game on the SE site--or you used to be able to) but also a pain if you get banned. I stand corrected, but I still wouldn't be afraid to speak my mind because I'd rather be struck mute than to be too afraid to speak at all. Would I ask for an appeal? Certainly. After some time had passed. But in the end, so long as my game doesn't suffer I that's the most important part imo. But yeah. Still a bit on the messed up side. :\

Thankfully no. They're all still very active within the game so far as I know. Dual and I just finished the ShB campaign about an hour ago actually.

[CarnivalNights]

All Japanese online and gaming communities both in-game and out of it love having heavy-handed moderating compared to western games.

That's why I almost never use my 3DS and Switch online. This is the only Japanese online game I play. Not interested in the babysitting nature of Japanese online moderation.