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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I don't think they mean globally. I may be wrong, but I think they're talking about uses of the term similar to the annual Fox News report about the war on Christmas.
    The thing is, this is a global forum, and if you do not specify the area that is being referred to, then it should be considered globally.
    Someone from the countries where Christians are very much being persecuted probably wouldn't like reading about it being "amusing" to a person, when that person did not say specifically which Christians they were referring to. All they said at the time were something along the lines of Christians in relation to the last 2000 years of history. Christians have been persecuted a lot globally in the last 2000 years.
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    Ok, lets go down this thought path:

    In HW, the [strike]pope[/strike] Archbishop was using the power of the church to wage an unjustified war, and abusing the faith of it's followers by hiding the truth. Now you could say "Oh hey, this is a jab at christianity" and you might be able to draw some parallels but it's more an attack on themes of corrupt leaders abusing their position to secure power for themselves. Broadly, as someone pointed out, unfettered faith (or probably more accurately Dogma) is a theme that plays out in FF series. Though its not only just Dogma that gets this treatment. Generally, FF has had a pretty consistent theme of corrupt Rulers who control the masses with lies. The benevolent king who is secretly sacrificing children to Eldritch Horrors for more money/power/immortality/etc. You could argue that FF on the whole tends to take a more libertarian approach to power structures, where those at the top need to be held accountable, but I digress.

    Going back to the faith aspect, its not only christianity that gets poked at, but religion in general. Primals and the worship of them tends to lead to strife and subjugation. When inspecting beast tribes, those who fall under the sway of primals go out of their way to persecute non believers and kill them.

    In FFXIV though, it was more of a vibe of finding balance between good and evil. We've always had assumptions up to this point that Zodiark = Evil (though we can thank ascians for that...), but the lore has stated multiple times that the light is also a terrible force if left unchecked. We just keep forgetting that. We know the Void is pretty much a place consumed by darkness, but we havent seen what happens in reverse. ShB is pretty much gonna demonstrate that going about wiping out all darkness is gonna end up biting us in the butt.

    So no, its not an attack on Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixt View Post
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    Kindly take this type of behaviour and unnecessary "content" as far away as possible from video games.

    I would tell you exactly what to do with that type of stuff but it would get me banned for a while.
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    Keep your religious beliefs out of my video game.
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    I feel like this user might be a Reddit user, come here to re-post something just to stir people. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron View Post
    What on Earth are you on about?...That Odin is very much a direct reference to the Norse God of the same name....even down to his horse and weaponry. Just like Ultima the High Seraph and Leviathan are named after the same figures in Christian/Islamic/Jewish faiths
    Your absolutes now tell me for sure you're trolling. I'm pretty sure God does not care he's not getting love in a video game lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    Your absolutes now tell me for sure you're trolling. I'm pretty sure God does not care he's not getting love in a video game lol
    When did I say I wanted God to get love in a video game?...I feel you've totally missed the point here because your replies make literally no sense lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron View Post
    When did I say I wanted God to get love in a video game?...I feel you've totally missed the point here because your replies make literally no sense lol
    You're bitching about him not getting love and I'm telling you I'm pretty sure he does not care. Nobody is cursing him and like others have said light being good and dark being bad are not exclusive to Christianity, so at this point you're assuming its against it to either stir up the board or because you're starving for attention
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    You're botching about him not getting love and I'm telling you I'm pretty sure he does not care. Nobody is cursing him and like others have said light being good and dark being bad are not exclusive to Christianity, so at this point you're assuming its against it to either stir up the board or because you're starving for attention
    Literally never said that in any of my replies...I'm one of the ones in support of your original comment, I even liked it lol
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