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    Quote Originally Posted by Videra View Post
    Final Fantasy has always had beef with blind faith and generally following an ideology without thinking about it.
    Yeah, this even applies to games outside of FF too. In general, JRPGs don't show favorable opinions of whatever the widely-accepted religion of the world is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akonyl View Post
    Yeah, this even applies to games outside of FF too. In general, JRPGs don't show favorable opinions of whatever the widely-accepted religion of the world is.
    Of course not, those religions don't revere Amaterasu.
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    In HW yes, but it's kind of a historical fact the church had an EVIL period and they simply referenced said dark era, rather than straight up saying religion is bad, period. With ShB...I don't see it - if anything, it looks more like the Ying-Yang theme of light and dark needing a balance and neither being inherently good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu View Post
    Can't they use other religions as symbolism? I mean it is pretty anti christian first the HW story and now the Holiness being evil
    Organized religion and the very real possible corruption has always been questioned in jRPGs but faith not so much (being careful of faith yes, but generally jRPG don't have a "don't believe anything"). I would suggest that you only see it an attack on you specifically if you fear your gathering needs to be questioned and hasn't been lol.

    SE also sometimes questions the concept of being faithless . Think of it more as a debate and raising of questions than an attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu View Post
    That they are sending and anti religious message with Shadowbringers. Like Heavensward played at that to.

    The more I look at the story the more I feel I am being targeted as a christian
    If so, I don't really see it. From what I can tell, Heavensward isn't really against religion, but more against corrupt leadership.

    Shadowbringers seems to be more about pro-balance rather than anti-light, which is probably something from eastern religion. After all, it doesn't change the fact that we still will fight against any voidsent that threatens the Source.
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    The game is a work of fiction. I am a Christian too, and i don't see how this is "anti-christian". They do not make reference to the Christian God or Jesus in anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    The game is a work of fiction. I am a Christian too, and i don't see how this is "anti-christian". They do not make reference to the Christian God or Jesus in anyway.
    Yet FF does make reference to other Gods directly, such as Odin, Shiva, Lakshmi (to name a few)...apparently these are ok?....but when it comes to the slightest hint of Christian/Islamic/Jewish iconography or visual cues, all off a sudden it's a problem?...

    Those are rhetorical questions btw, not directed at anyone specifically. I just want to bring light to the hypocrisy of such a debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron View Post
    Yet FF does make reference to other Gods directly, such as Odin, Shiva, Lakshmi (to name a few)...apparently these are ok?....but when it comes to the slightest hint of Christian/Islamic/Jewish iconography or visual cues, all off a sudden it's a problem?...

    Those are rhetorical questions btw, not directed at anyone specifically. I just want to bring light to the hypocrisy of such a debate.
    the character we drive does not worship them in any way and instead we beat the crap out of them. Other gods exist in the real world too, what you decide to do with that info is up to the user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    the character we drive does not worship them in any way and instead we beat the crap out of them. Other gods exist in the real world too, what you decide to do with that info is up to the user.
    But for a user to exclaim the use of one God is an offense, yet make no quarrel with the uses of other Gods, is hypocrisy by the very definition. That's the point I'm trying to make, the Christian God does not get any special rules over any other God....either it's all ok or none of it is.
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