Nobody Really Wants To Heal

[Penthea]

I agree with the first bit, but then you kind of lose me on the second half again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that a DPS's free-time equates to what they can weave inbetween their GCD skills. They may have some support skills they can toss out, but that impact is minimal compared to what a healer can do in their free-time.

Actually it can make a noticeable difference if casted at the correct moment. I certainly notice a difference between playing with people I know who do use their role actions, and pugs who do not. Even if the tank is the same player and the content is the same.

I don't do savage/current EXs, so use that to gauge where I'm coming from, but in a lot of the content that I run I can be out DPSing actual DPS on certain pulls. That may speak more of the DPS in party, but the damage that a healer can add isn't some small amount. A DPS's support skills will of course help, but they're not on the same level as healer DPS.

I never made any claim they were on the same level as a healer. I did however say that they can help a healer to contribute more dps if said abilities mean healers have less to heal. Palisade is sometimes the difference between me having time to do three more dps gcds and having to choose to heal the tank instead. That's just one ability at one time. All those gcds add up over time in content. I can easily miss out on 20+ gcds of dps in a dungeon because people forget about their support abilities.

And seriously these abilities are one click buttons. That's it. It's not difficult to do so why not do it? If you're not weaving in an offensive ogcd what's wrong with weaving in a support one? Oh right. I forgot. It's this thing called effort.

[Yurenai]

I bought an indie game where all you do is mmo style healing. I love it.

I'd like to get in on this. What is it?

[Bahati]

If they make damage higher so healer has to spend 90% time healing, it would actually kill the diversity in duties, not allowing for aoe mechanics, because that would be too much for a average skilled and geared teams.
Even today healers do no have easy job to keep everyone up in trials or raids, especially in alliance raids where there a ton of people dying and taking damage and you have to keep up healing them all from it.
Now imagine how it will look if a healer was not that good and would have a weak gear or dps taking all damage possible or tank not using CD\\\\'s.
There would be wipes non stop.
I personally never played a healer, but as a tank i could tell you there are a lot of healers who arent the masters of their profession and their mistakes causes a wipes a lot of times. Bigger damage means more strain on tanks and healers at the same time, and it could ruin duties for pugs.
Healer had a lot of downtime with a skilled and geared teams, there is really nothing much they could do about it, the differences between someone with gear and skill and someone who has none of it is like 2-3 times on the DPS so its obvious that a healer at one point will have less work to do.

I would be so much happier if this was the case and everyone was expected to play thier role in a more concrete way. Even in alliance raids where several people are dying at once that just makes healing more engaging and gives DPS who have raise in their toolkit an opportunity to support the party. Non-healers would have more expectation to dodge mechanics, especially DPS with the "healer adjust" mentality. They would also be 100% responsible for DPS like they should be and would need to worry about movement and damage rather than just nuking while standing in aoes and expecting to be revived constantly. The whole we need healers to DPS to pass DPS checks would no longer be a thing.

[ADVSS]

just nuking while standing in aoes and expecting to be revived constantly. The whole we need healers to DPS to pass DPS checks would no longer be a thing.

Either this means we wouldnt need healers period, or that you dont want to be responsible for healing the dps so they can - pass the dps checks -
This is super confusing to me. You cant have one side, without the other. What they are going to do, to make you happy, is bump the incoming amount of unavoidable damage, now you really will be forced to be responsible when a dps check fails because you'll be expected to heal them from damage- damage they are unable to avoid-that is all. Itll be no more enganging than when you can literally see a drg eat an avoidable aoe, and have already known, probably chuckling(at least that would amuse me but everyones different), that theyre going down. So what you want is for more avoidable damage and more downtime to dps as a healer, or do you want avoidable aoes to disappear so you have to heal more frequently anyway?

Spoiler Alert: You most likely will have to raise more often, because it will be unavoidable.

[Lissyl]

People do love to play healer but truthfully nobody wants to be a full on healer as it's boring and quite frankly just not fun.

I'm late to this conversation apparently but I just want to say that this is not true. I love healing, only healing, all healing, and if I had my way we wouldn't even HAVE a dps button outside of levelling up. My best memories are nonstop healing in heroic Ulduar, heroic Naxx, heroic Icecrown, and before that in Black Temple, Sunwell, Serpentshrine, and so on. Where healing, and healing constantly, were all that mattered. I know and accept I can't do that here, but if I had my way it'd be like that. I know I'm a minority, but that's okay.

I'm a healer. That's what I like to do. Anything else is only out of necessity.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

I mean yea you have people that love the healing class as a general concept. A holy centric magician that can utilize the power of light to slay the enemies and rejuvenate the health of allies.

People do love to play healer but truthfully nobody wants to be a full on healer as it's boring and quite frankly just not fun. It's the same situation with Tanks if all you are is just a meat shield then you may as well be a puppet with 2 buttons.

This whole closed minded notion that "Healers only heal" and "Tanks stop doing damage leave it to DPS" is just absurd. Everybody is equal and important to the task at hand in some way shape or form and not everyone has to be one trick ponies when they dont have to.

With Shadowbringers coming up, I couldnt be more excited, but the White Mage changes are just especially heinous. The fact of the matter is you are removing OPTIONS in combat which is something you should never do regardless of the state of the game.

How do you go from a game like Final Fantasy XI where you had spells as far as the eye can see on top of the spells you obtain from your sub class usually black magic or scholar if you were a wiz kid, to now where the healer ONLY heals.

XI- Cure I II III IV V Protect Shell Blink Stoneskin Aquaveil all the Bar and En elemental buff spells Banish I II III IV V Holy Dia Diaga Diaga II Sneak Invisible Deoderize
And so many others

XIV- Protect.....Cure I, II, III, Holy....yea that's about it.

And now were getting protect removed in favor of Dia which was always traditionally a lvl 1 spell now it's a max lvl spell explain that one to me.

Bottom line- nobody likes it when they have options taken away from them. Why do you think people enjoyed classic Wow so much? Because classes back then didnt limit you in silly ways you could make yourself whatever you wanted to back them and have skills/spells up the wazoo.

Speak for yourself, I'm perfectly happy being a pure healer as is my wife.

[Drayce1]

Please read my comment above regarding why I believe healers won’t “have to actually heal” and let me know if you still believe that they will and that I am wrong. I just don’t see it.

Oh they will. Sorry but the fail green dps b.s gone on long enough. Time to take the toys away.

[Adrestia]

Oh they will. Sorry but the fail green dps b.s gone on long enough. Time to take the toys away.

So you believe SE is okay with the healers who today, cannot keep up with DPSing and healing and so only or almost only heal, in 5.0 become the reason why parties fail dungeons for hours, due to their inability to meet healing demand?

Or you believe that these players are today playing at 30% of their potential and come 5.0 will be 3x better players?

[Reiryuu]

Oh they will. Sorry but the fail green dps b.s gone on long enough. Time to take the toys away.

I have a thread for you to read: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Titania-Fight

TL;DR: No, things are about the same as they are in Stormblood now.

[Amnmaat]

So you believe SE is okay with the healers who today, cannot keep up with DPSing and healing and so only or almost only heal, in 5.0 become the reason why parties fail dungeons for hours, due to their inability to meet healing demand?

Or you believe that these players are today playing at 30% of their potential and come 5.0 will be 3x better players?

They'll level up to that standard. There's ways for a company as professional and competent as Square-Enix to measure this.
Take The Burn's last boss for example, some healers will cry, die, and fail but eventually they'll get better at healing and complete the fight.

They have ways to measure when enemies are doing too much/too little.