Intervention and Cover in Alliance Raids and BA

[MaraD_]

This is especially bad for Paladins in the lvl 50 alliance raids. Where the only DPS combo is also the enmity combo. It's nearly impossible to not take aggro away from non-paladin MTs. I actually have to stop attacking once in a while. Looking forward to that issue hopefully going away in ShadowBringers.

I remember a run where I was PLD, and the DRK was behind the group, so I pulled the boss with shield lob, and got to my RoH combo, when I see the DRK run into the fight, hit tank stance, and proceed to hit provoke.
It was a bit odd, since DRKs actually have a DPS combo at this level range, but there's not much I can do, other than shirk them. (I was in sword oath, since I only have a threat combo, and its a MSR boss.)
I shirk them, and within 1 combo, I have more threat than them again. (they werent using threat combos)

They yelled at me to get out of tank stance, which i wasnt in.
I tell them i wasnt in tank stance.
they say, stop using threat combos, and to use my DPS combo.
I tell them PLD doesnt have any until Lv54.

They proceed to get upset, and refuse to fight anything the rest of the dungeon. (they just AFK at every spot, but move again once we finish the fights)

I tried to vote kick them for intentionally AFKing, but the rest of the group refused (as usual).
Dont know why SE thought it was a good design to not update PLD to have at least goring blade by Lv50.
(side note, the DRK was Lv70, and his accessories were melded with crit and DH, just to give an idea how clueless he was. When he was in tank stance, he turned off darkside. dunno why he did that, since he had to turn it off manually. and refused to put it back up during that fight.)

[Kurando]

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Well OP's original question was asking why the mentioned actions acted differently and the tooltip has the answer, that's all really. Alright we could over analyze this and say what is the good or bad ways to use the actions in question, but I'm sure the devs considered this hence why they have such restrictions to begin with.

[Derio]

I agree. I wish I could give a TBN to the main tank of the alliance as well as shirk them. That would be a great QoL adjustment that should have been brought up in a media question.

[Vidu]

Well OP's original question was asking why the mentioned actions acted differently and the tooltip has the answer, that's all really. Alright we could over analyze this and say what is the good or bad ways to use the actions in question, but I'm sure the devs considered this hence why they have such restrictions to begin with.

"Because the tooltip says so" isnt a good answer to the question "Why is it like this", though... The tooltip doesnt has the answer, the tooltip just tells you "you cant use this on anyone who isnt in your party". An answer would be an explantion to why you cant us it - technical-problem? Balance-issue? Forgotten about it? To much of a risk of this badly interacting with other aspects?
Those are potential answers - not "the tooltip says its like this, so that is why".

[IntrovertAnt]

"Because the tooltip says so" isnt a good answer to the question "Why is it like this", though... The tooltip doesnt has the answer, the tooltip just tells you "you cant use this on anyone who isnt in your party". An answer would be an explantion to why you cant us it - technical-problem? Balance-issue? Forgotten about it? To much of a risk of this badly interacting with other aspects?
Those are potential answers - not "the tooltip says its like this, so that is why".

Thank you for bringing this back on topic instead of keeping the tangent going.