Crafting and Gathering need a QoL change asap.

[JowyAtreides]

Not everyone can afford to do that.

Yes they can, it's called being self-sufficient. There is literally nothing stopping a single player (after the first couple of class quests) from doing this.

We could probably count on our hands the number of times we're actually REQUIRED to spend gil in this game... (airships at level 15 MSQ, ferries to/from Kugane/Gyr Abania)

[Seraphor]

Yes they can, it's called being self-sufficient. There is literally nothing stopping a single player (after the first couple of class quests) from doing this.

We could probably count on our hands the number of times we're actually REQUIRED to spend gil in this game... (airships at level 15 MSQ, ferries to/from Kugane/Gyr Abania)

And how many hours would that take?
Why should crafting be gated purely for those who either have no job or only want to gather/craft?
When do I have time to actually play the game as DoW/M?

[TwistedTea]

And how many hours would that take?
Why should crafting be gated purely for those who either have no job or only want to gather/craft?
When do I have time to actually play the game as DoW/M?

FFXIV is a themepark MMORPG.

Currently, apart from the MSQ,everything else can be considered optional content.

Savage raiders put in the time to gear up,practice progression,optimise etc

Why should crafting/gathering be different?

If you want to be a crafter/gatherer minting the gil, you've to level your crafters/gatherers,manage your crafting/gathering mat supply and study Market Board trends.

In other words, grind.

Secondly, as has been repeated multiple times, the leveling process is not difficult.

Lastly, many omni crafters/gatherers have limited amounts of playtime but they somehow manage to squeeze in content like Eureka,Raiding,Hunts,POTD,HOH etc

[Lersayil]

Yes they can, it's called being self-sufficient. There is literally nothing stopping a single player (after the first couple of class quests) from doing this.

We could probably count on our hands the number of times we're actually REQUIRED to spend gil in this game... (airships at level 15 MSQ, ferries to/from Kugane/Gyr Abania)

Don't just think gil. There is a time / opportunity cost associated. If the game required everyone to experiment out optimal crafting rotations for whatever they do for themselves, it would be a major turn-off for a lot of people.

Eyeballing semi-optimal crafting rotations isnt hard, but few would want to invest the time / money to come up with the stat specific, point perfect rotations most people macro.

Personally I'd argue it would make the market situation worse if anything.

[Windsun33]

...but few would want to invest the time / money to come up with the stat specific, point perfect rotations most people macro.

And yet people have done, to the point of obsession IMO. Ran across a site a few days ago where one particular "super optimized" rotation was a 5 page macro. That is not for me, nor for 99% of us.

[Barraind]

And yet people have done, to the point of obsession IMO. Ran across a site a few days ago where one particular "super optimized" rotation was a 5 page macro. That is not for me, nor for 99% of us.

Yeah, you generally move from MaMa to MuMe as soon as possible because using 3 button macros is preferred to the sheer nonsense that MaMa becomes, even when MaMa is more powerful (it's always more powerful).