Revelations from the Shadowbringers E3 Trailer

[KarstenS]

Definitely Emet-Selch with that Zelara symbol:

And finally: Zalera from FFXII



Source: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Zalera

In details different, but also some similarities.

[ADVSS]

And finally: Zalera from FFXII



Source: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Zalera

In details different, but also some similarities.

That final scene when he's explaining the Hydalyn Zodiark thing, hes standing in front of a wall that kept screwing with me because it gave him demonic wings, just like your final pic shows. Youre definitely onto something

[Alleo]

I think I get it, but... I'm not really sure how we're supposed to resolve all this.

Hm if they go with the way of some FF games then this information may tell us that they are not 100% needed for future survival so we will kill both because "primals" and then humankind will reign itself..(which would be funny because seemingly all that happened because the humans created them..so who is to say that this wont happen again)

Or they could use this as a reason for us to destroy Zodiarc but stand on Hydaelyns side because she seemingly does care about her "children" and we find a way to still hold the balance. (Something about humans having enough Darkness themselves)

Anyway I agree with you that it does not change much right now. But of course it could be used to divide the scions a bit.

Elidibus was of whom I was speaking about with him dangling a carrot in front of our noses. With him not telling us or giving more of an explanation on what he means tends to throw him in the category of ... "yeah, that's nice but I dont trust you still your an ascian."

That is 100% my problem with him: "Hey I know it better and you would believe me if I told you but I dont..."

I mean why not tell us? Why does it seem like he and the other Ascians dont have 100% the same goal?

[Rannie]

Well I know for a fact his goal and lahabrea's was completely different due to that one scene between 2.0 and 3.0 where they were talking. Lahabrea I think was going to try to take over as zodiark (cant be too sure with that exactly but yeah I watched that scene a lot) .

Also... I think that's the problem everyone has with him well that and now he's going as crazy against us.

The only thing I can chalk it up to with Elidibus is that he's still an ascian and is still trying to be kinda a douche. Honestly though unless we are able to confront him about it without him brutally trying to kill us, then we'll never know, kinda like with how many real licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop....

And sorry I work over nights and my shift is ending so my brain is starting to get sillier especially now that I have the tootsie roll jingle playing in my head..... help me...

[Enkidoh]

As an aside, the trailers are usually deceptive to a degree. A character being shown, for instance, isn't necessarily the one speaking a particular line.

Everyone, listen to the Garlean - he speaks the truth.

Remember the Stormblood launch trailer and how shocked we were about Y'shtola? And we all know how that turned out... (she got better). Don't judge a grimoire by it's cover.

I'm also very curious about Eulmore. Sin Eaters used to be regular people but supposedly need to feed off of living aether. They're also part of Eulmore society. That's going to raise all sorts of interesting dilemmas if they're sentient and still maintain part of who they used to be.

The thing is, this is hardly a new idea as SE has used a similar plot line in previous FF games dating all the way back to FFVII and it's makonoids (humans warped by Mako energy). There is no indication anywhere in the trailer as far as I can see that Sin Eaters still retain some semblence of their former selves, no more than what Voidsent do (or rather, Voidsent hosts that were once living beings such as Mindflayers and Succubi, others like Dullahan... were never alive to begin with). But we'll find out either way.

[Malkria]

Actual question because I can't remember: When they say they want to revive their god do they ever NAME Zodiark during those points, or do they say their "one, true god"?

Because some of those cave paintings imply that Hydaelyn and Zodiark were once one being.

Pretty sure that was actually explicitly said rather then implied back towards the end of ARR or during it's epilogue.

[Guiballad]

On the topic of primals being able to grant blessings: wasn't that what Bahamut did to van Darnus back in Legacy? I know there was also tempering involved but Darnus became capable of using some level of magic thanks to the "blessing" right?

I didn't play Legacy but that's the impression i got from what i've read/seen.

[Lauront]

Although there's every likelihood that the trailer is misleading and out of sequence, they sometimes take the opposite approach too, as with the 4.5 trailer, which was not nearly as misleading as some prior ones.

Anyway, it's interesting that they've confirmed Eden will relate to the MSQ story regarding the aftermath for the First, so there's every chance it will relate to the past, as well.

Well I know for a fact his goal and lahabrea's was completely different due to that one scene between 2.0 and 3.0 where they were talking. Lahabrea I think was going to try to take over as zodiark (cant be too sure with that exactly but yeah I watched that scene a lot) .

Also... I think that's the problem everyone has with him well that and now he's going as crazy against us.

The only thing I can chalk it up to with Elidibus is that he's still an ascian and is still trying to be kinda a douche. Honestly though unless we are able to confront him about it without him brutally trying to kill us, then we'll never know,

Part of the problem is that his role is to keep the other Ascian Overlords in check to ensure their plan goes forward without a hitch. He already took a risk by associating with the WoL, and testing him. He then took another by bringing Unukalhai to the WoL to assist with the Warring Triad. My point here is that he may be watching his back in terms of how much he's willing to divulge. It's a lot easier to get away with it if he's dropping cryptic hints than if he's doing what Emet-Selch now is.

With Lahabrea out the way, that ought to have changed though, and I do think there's been a marked departure from his usual approach in 4.5, but it's probably for two reasons - 1) they have Emet-Selch, who can walk around more freely than him and has good entertainment value, so they've probably shifted some of the narrative that would have been Elidibus's to him and 2) the imbalance on the Source is at the point where he needs to effect a drastic tilt towards darkness to ensure their plans aren't thrown into oblivion. Arbert cottoned on to the idea that killing the WoL would result in this, so there is no doubt Elidibus arrived at the same conclusion. He hasn't really got the luxury of time, probably because of Lahabrea's recklessness, which I suspect is a big part of why the imbalance of light has accelerated. Emet-Selch and Elidibus are cleaning up the mess he left behind. Whatever potential he sees in the WoL, the overarching goal takes priority.

Without the burden of shepherding the other Overlords, and not as concerned with the immediacy of staving off a flood on the Source, I expect Emet-Selch will be able to speak more freely, albeit we still don't know his true motives. Although there is the chance that Elidibus is genuinely concerned about the balance in the abstract - and that is why he serves Zodiark - Emet-Selch may have more insidious plans. However, that is purely speculative at this point. Were he Lahabrea or Nabriales, it'd be easier to arrive at such a conclusion. Varis's speech in the tent - if he was possessed by Emet-Selch - may be the biggest clue we have as to his motives and that may in turn tie into whether he was around at the time Zodiark and Hydaelyn came to be. That may be what it truly means to be one of the "original" Paragons.

[Amnmaat]

We're forgetting who has the key to salvation, Graha and Allagans. The Allagans were the ones who most likely figured out what the balance between dark and light really means and how it can be achieved. Instead of fighting for one or the other Graha will show us how to tame both energies using the Crystal tower or some other Allagan technology.
My theory here as to why we see crystal towers everywhere in the first is because it's a device used to balance/purify the light. We just need to help these generators be more in balance by bringing a bit more darkness into the world.

[Rocl]

On the topic of primals being able to grant blessings: wasn't that what Bahamut did to van Darnus back in Legacy? I know there was also tempering involved but Darnus became capable of using some level of magic thanks to the "blessing" right?

I didn't play Legacy but that's the impression i got from what i've read/seen.

Bahamut Tempered Nael and bestowed upon her some of his power, yes. For all we know, he simply turned her Tempering to eleven and created the monstrosity we fight in the Second Coil in a fashion similar to how repeated Temperings warped Captain Madison into a kraken-faced monster (and his crewmen to aurelia-faced ones). Nael might've referred to it as a blessing, but... any Tempered person receiving a gift from their god might consider it a lowercase b blessing opposed to an uppercase B—which is likely a distinction Nael would not have known about.