The loss of Shield Swipe

[Ventura_Highway]

I get that they wanted to make Paladin DPS not dependent on being attacked by the boss but I am annoyed that useless Shield Bash is still in. With all of the new sources of MP we have maybe it would be good to have something to vent off excess MP instead of Shield Bash.

[ADVSS]

I get that they wanted to make Paladin DPS not dependent on being attacked by the boss but I am annoyed that useless Shield Bash is still in. With all of the new sources of MP we have maybe it would be good to have something to vent off excess MP instead of Shield Bash.

I dont think that is why, they removed DRK reprisal, earlier. I think they are moving away from reactive procs because reasons. I think they want more set CD and standalones, that wont increase/enhance a tanks overall dps. Despite many of these reactive skills, adding more interesting elements over the monotony of using cd 1 for semi big hits, and cd2 for tank busters. or cd 3 the ultimate for lethally lethal tank busters

[Ventura_Highway]

I dont think that is why, they removed DRK reprisal, earlier. I think they are moving away from reactive procs because reasons. I think they want more set CD and standalones, that wont increase/enhance a tanks overall dps. Despite many of these reactive skills, adding more interesting elements over the monotony of using cd 1 for semi big hits, and cd2 for tank busters. or cd 3 the ultimate for lethally lethal tank busters

Makes sense I guess. Dark Knight still has a bonus for fully draining TBN after all.

[Shurrikhan]

Makes sense I guess. Dark Knight still has a bonus for fully draining TBN after all.

Which is itself kind of weird, since it makes it effectively a non-cost, contrary to the rest of DRK's systems. It makes sense against Shelltron, sure, but it still just feels awkward, especially in that its mitigation then becomes almost crippling expensive if/when you need it least. A point of damage short, and its a potent loss. Make full use of the mitigation, and it costs nothing.

Wouldn't it, perhaps, make more sense to have it generate Blood proportionate to shield consumed, rather than all or nothing?

[Kalise]

Wouldn't it, perhaps, make more sense to have it generate Blood proportionate to shield consumed, rather than all or nothing?

Designing something SENSIBLE!? For DORK KNIGHT!?!?

What are you? Mad?

Inb4 TBN kills you if it doesn't break...

[Fluffernuff]

Wouldn't it, perhaps, make more sense to have it generate Blood proportionate to shield consumed, rather than all or nothing?

I still really want TBN to work like excog

[Lyth]

A really easy way to make Swipe work would have been to have it proc either if you take damage with Sheltron active or if an ally takes damage with Intervention/Cover active. PLDs are historically bodyguards to the Sultanate, so you would expect the knight with the big riot shield to prod you in the back with it every time that you try to bully their wards. 'Oi.'

I know that interrupts are supposed to be more important from a tank perspective this time around, but I still think that I'd prefer keeping Swipe over Bash. I wish that 'counterattacking' was more a part of the tanking aesthetic.

[ADVSS]

A really easy way to make Swipe work would have been to have it proc either if you take damage with Sheltron active or if an ally takes damage with Intervention/Cover active. PLDs are historically bodyguards to the Sultanate, so you would expect the knight with the big riot shield to prod you in the back with it every time that you try to bully their wards. 'Oi.'

I know that interrupts are supposed to be more important from a tank perspective this time around, but I still think that I'd prefer keeping Swipe over Bash. I wish that 'counterattacking' was more a part of the tanking aesthetic.

I agree but we all know why it and reprisal/low blows in their original forms are gone. Though a repurposed SS could totally work, oh yeah except for a similar reason but oppositte. Essentially, these skills somehow would put a tank in more of a MT or OT position, esp if its a dps gain to do so.

[Shurrikhan]

I agree but we all know why it and reprisal/low blows in their original forms are gone. Though a repurposed SS could totally work, oh yeah except for a similar reason but oppositte. Essentially, these skills somehow would put a tank in more of a MT or OT position, esp if its a dps gain to do so.

The reason is well noted, sure, but that doesn't mean we have to find it reasonable. Personally, I prefer for tanks to need to be, well, tanking, to use their full kit. Make them equally "MT" if you must, but I'd rather have tanks swapping in to use their CDs at greater efficiency then each have a their own --mostly homogeneous-- OT external mitigation. I didn't mind PLD mostly having a dominion on that stuff because it is, frankly, just utility (so long as the external mitigation comes at shared resource cost to personal mitigation or to proportionate cost to their selection of other "free" utilities).

[ADVSS]

The reason is well noted, sure, but that doesn't mean we have to find it reasonable. Personally, I prefer for tanks to need to be, well, tanking, to use their full kit. Make them equally "MT" if you must, but I'd rather have tanks swapping in to use their CDs at greater efficiency then each have a their own --mostly homogeneous-- OT external mitigation. I didn't mind PLD mostly having a dominion on that stuff because it is, frankly, just utility.

Absolutely agree. but then theres always going to be "cuts" and button bloat is just the easiest reason for those cuts, I suppose. Personally, I'm all for all the tanks having some sort of reactive play, since stuns and such lost their effectiveness after 50