The loss of Shield Swipe

[Otorinth]

I'm not exactly fond of this skill being lost. I don't see a specific reason for it not carrying over into Shadowbringers. It's a cool oGCD that's pretty much free damage.

-Damage? Just increase the potency by 100 and remove the "increased enmity" portion.
-Button bloat? More than enough has been trimmed on Paladin to still have a spot for it.

It's even mentioned in the journal entry for "The Rematch" as being an "advanced technique" that Aldis used against opponents in the Colosseum, specifically Leavold in their final match, which set off the chain of events that caused the rift between them. Is that text just going to be altered/stricken? There's no skill learned at 30 as a Gladiator in ShB.

Luckily, there ain't much else to complain about as a Paladin and it looks like it'll stay that way. (At least until our potencies suddenly get buried 6 ft under.)

[Inuk9]

PLD have a lot of damage already. all his oGCDs offensive skills were buffed, He has a high potency combo, (sword oath combo is NUTS btw) and requiecast is 50% damage increase now.

Are you serious complaining about damage?

[Otorinth]

PLD have a lot of damage already. all his oGCDs offensive skills were buffed, He has a high potency combo, (sword oath combo is NUTS btw) and requiecast is 50% damage increase now.

Are you serious complaining about damage?

I'm complaining about losing unique, counter-hit ogcd. It's not the end of the world. I'm also curious of how the journals will change due to it's exclusion.

[Izsha]

PLD have a lot of damage already. all his oGCDs offensive skills were buffed, He has a high potency combo, (sword oath combo is NUTS btw) and requiecast is 50% damage increase now.

Are you serious complaining about damage?

All you see in the op is damage? Not that shield swipe was a very paladin themed move focusing on the shield. Not that it has ties to lore, further supporting paladin fantasy. Just the damage.

Damage is just the result of all their actions. If shield swipe put pld over the top you take 10 off atonement or whatever. Damage should literally never be a consideration when deciding WHAT skills a job gets. Damage is only a considerstion when deciding how much potency the skills should have.

You can make a job that showers enemies with glitter and still make the damage balanced.

What skills you have are far more important to a jobs aesthetic and fantasy. Shield swipe supported that. Removing it has nothing to do with how much damage a pld will do in july and everything to do with being a very paladin feeling skill and loosing it is a perfectly valid concern.

[Kalise]

I can only imagine that with the implementation of a bunch of OT skills across all jobs (Buffing of TBN on others, Nascent Flash, Heart of Stone + Aurora) mitigating PLD being the de-facto OT, that they didn't want this skill to be a reason to prefer PLD in the MT position.

Since, as you say, it's free damage. But only when you're blocking. Which means it's DPS advantageous to be MT as PLD (Sure, there are AoE's that you can block as OT, but only as MT will you have it up basically on CD)

Which might not be something they wanted to do. Given they seemed to care enough to not go through with their "MT vs OT" balance style and instead opted to make all tanks be able to perform reasonably well in both subroles.

Of course, they could have always just reworked the skill to not be proc'd from blocking and simply be an oGCD skill to use with possibly an increased CD... But *Shrug* who knows what's going on in SE's minds, where skills like Shield Swipe, Steel Peak, Howling Fist and Dark Passenger get axed. While skills like Shield Bash, Mantra, Fire II, Blizzard II and Living Dead remain untouched, being neither removed or reworked into something better designed...

[Kabooa]

I've never been sadder to be right.

[WhyAmIHere]

Yeah I was baffled by that change in 5.0 as well, yet shield bash is still in the PLD kit. Honestly Bash should've been axed and swipe kept in IMO.

[Inuk9]

All you see in the op is damage? Not that shield swipe was a very paladin themed move focusing on the shield. Not that it has ties to lore, further supporting paladin fantasy. Just the damage.

Yeah sure, while the OP have written "damage" 2 times in the first post.

This honestly seems to me like a troll thread or "I just want to complain about something today" thread.

[Otorinth]

Yeah sure, while the OP have written "damage" 2 times in the first post.

This honestly seems to me like a troll thread or "I just want to complain about something today" thread.

Wouldn't the smartest course of action be to avoid the troll thread instead of feeding it?

In other news; I'm going to miss the animation. It's the only other shield-based attack we had. Now all we have is Shield Bash, which is seldom used.

[Cabalabob]

I’m quite sad to see a lot of skills that encourage tanks to use their mitigation for offence are going. Cause as we all know, dps is everything. Shield swipe used to encourage blocking to proc those counters, upheaval used to encourage thrill of battle for the increased hp to increase damage.

Now all we have left is counter attacks on vengeance and the blackest night being dps neutral as things that encourage the use of defensive skills.