Housing demolition timer need to be changed! Sitting on your property needs to count.

[Prophecy]

I don't get it, why didn't you walk into your house? Did your toon lose motor function after being telephoned multiple times to 'throw back the gates'?

No.. you're still wrong and changing the story. You wouldn't have made this post if you went into your house and didn't lose it. This exist cause you were lazy plain and simple. I even said the housing system needs improvements but the one you made I don't agree with. Housing is limited, just how it is. You want to keep your house.. you do the work to keep it. Sitting on the lawn was never and should never be a way to keep it. And you HAD to know this cause you were sitting on it. Why didn't you just walk in your dang house man? Why even have it if you're not going to use it? Why are you even mad? You didn't use it.

No, it's about you being lazy and entitled.

No, it's about you being lazy and entitled.

Don't tempt them. They might actually use this as part of their argument. This matter was settled well within the first few pages. Why this thread is still around is beyond me. Would I care if they changed housing to allow people to reset the timer simply by walking onto their front lawn? Not really. But as things currently stand the system is working as intended. Either walk into your house every so often (once every 45 days) or lose it. I don't like the auto demolition system, but it's part of what housing system we have so we need to make the best of it. Either way, it's not that hard to click on one's front door and enter, leave and not come back for a few weeks.

Saying: " i would not post if it not happen to me", "i am lazy", "i am entitled", and at the same time state that they do not like they system, however we must have because we do not have enough houses. Those folks are just settling for everything to stay "As is"! So why is the post still going??

Because we need improvements! !-_-! is why we are still posting. Most do not care if the the improvements i stated where added. Would not change for them anything they are doing. THus, this can HAPS!

[NanaWiloh]

Saying: " i would not post if it not happen to me", "i am lazy", "i am entitled", and at the same time state that they do not like they system, however we must have because we do not have enough houses. Those folks are just settling for everything to stay "As is"! So why is the post still going??

Because we need improvements! !-_-! is why we are still posting. Most do not care if the the improvements i stated where added. Would not change for them anything they are doing. THus, this can HAPS!

People want the housing system improved they just dont like your reason for improving it. Which is you are using the fact that YOU utterly failed to enter your house once in a 45 day period. SE should not have to tell you that your need to enter your player house routinely!!! That's your responiblity not theirs if you cant accept that then you will continue to lose every personal house you purchase.

[Kirsten_Rev]

Don't tempt them. They might actually use this as part of their argument. This matter was settled well within the first few pages. Why this thread is still around is beyond me. Would I care if they changed housing to allow people to reset the timer simply by walking onto their front lawn? Not really. But as things currently stand the system is working as intended. Either walk into your house every so often (once every 45 days) or lose it. I don't like the auto demolition system, but it's part of what housing system we have so we need to make the best of it. Either way, it's not that hard to click on one's front door and enter, leave and not come back for a few weeks.

Then SE's intent simply isn't good enough. I've avoided chiming in on this thread for awhile, but it's sad to see so many settling for mediocrity under the guise of 'working as intended'. There are multiple, clear issues with the existing system - issues which at can easily inflict mental paranoia on in-game homeowners or, in worst-case scenarios, cost them a house.

The notification system is, without question, poor. It relies primarily upon out-of-game emails, which is an unreliable system, prone to both the emails 'forgetting' to be sent or being caught by people's spam filters. This would be fine if it were augmenting a robust in-game notification system, but it's not - the only in-game system isn't even visible until you're 30 days idle, and from then on it's buried three menus deep in a place nobody would think to look unless they know it exists and are seeking it out.

Couple that with the illogical requirement that you enter a house, rather than sit on the property, to reset the timer, and you've got a bad system. Working as intended, sure - but that doesn't mean it's working well.

To add insult to injury, of course, it's worth remembering that demolition timers weren't even supposed to exist.

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It's also worth pointing out that this is just one aspect of a housing system that has been horribly managed from the very start. Availability was a widespread concern for years, and it still is on more populated servers. Outdoor furnishing limits remain pathetically low. They're *just how* implementing a furniture preview, though you could sort of create an ad-hoc one beforehand.

There's still the unintended glitch that, to this day (so far as I know - it lasted for years at best), allows Free Company leaders to trap someone in the FC if they purchase a room but are then locked out of the manor. This could be fixed by doing something as simple as allowing room access from the outdoor entry of the Estate, but SE hasn't bothered to implement this.

Let's see, what else. Oh, yeah, housing isn't registered account-wide, so alts on the same server can't share a personal abode (and can snap up extra houses, worsening the demand issue). New wards aren't opened alongside a lottery system, disadvantaging those who cannot be online when servers come back online after the relevant maintenance is done.

There are probably other issues, but I think I covered the major ones.

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All this to say, I offer my sympathies to the OP. They're absolutely right to be upset, and they're absolutely right to be seeking a change. Just because the system functions for most people doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved, particularly in regards to notifications, which is low-hanging fruit to an extent, and much easier to accomplish than, say, solving the demand issues.

Let's not 'make the best of it' and accept a bad system. SE can, and should, do better.

People want the housing system improved they just dont like your reason for improving it. Which is you are using the fact that YOU utterly failed to enter your house once in a 45 day period. SE should not have to tell you that your need to enter your player house routinely!!! That's your responiblity not theirs if you cant accept that then you will continue to lose every personal house you purchase.

The phrase "SE should not have to tell you [insert item here]" could be used to justify literally any notification shortcoming in FFXIV. They shouldn't have to display combo indicators; they shouldn't have to display quest locations; they shouldn't have to display timers of any kind. They do these things not because they have to, but because it makes the experience better for players - and rightly so. Housing notifications fall under this banner as well. It's not a question of personal responsibility; obviously the OP could have prevented this. Rather, it's an issue of egregiously bad design. Systems like this are supposed to minimize reliance on personal responsibility to the greatest extent possible, which in this case means implementing vastly clearer notifications. SE has neglected to do so, and that should be changed to create a higher-quality system that minimizes incidents like the OP's.

[Edax]

Couple that with the illogical requirement that you enter a house, rather than sit on the property, to reset the timer, and you've got a bad system. Working as intended, sure - but that doesn't mean it's working well.

Where's the illogic? Your not using a home when your sitting on a lawn. There's also the fact that the announcements were clearly incontrovertible with no room to interpret that just sitting on some grass would suffice.



The OP's argument is on par with "I didn't know that was against the law!", which is not a viable legal defence.

[Zeonx]

No, it's about you being ..... and entitled.

don't say that my cousin was banned for that word.

even though he didn't direct it, even sent him a email about it saying that's why he was temp banned crazy right?

it was weird words like that why he was perm off forums and he even explained people post those words today and he was singled out of a crowd and knocked off forums but others are allowed to post these words.

When he asked to get for a re-evaluation was rejected he thinks these forums play favoritism towards a certain crowd I believe it since I read those emails.

[NanaWiloh]

The phrase "SE should not have to tell you [insert item here]" could be used to justify literally any notification shortcoming in FFXIV. They shouldn't have to display combo indicators; they shouldn't have to display quest locations; they shouldn't have to display timers of any kind. They do these things not because they have to, but because it makes the experience better for players - and rightly so. Housing notifications fall under this banner as well. It's not a question of personal responsibility; obviously the OP could have prevented this. Rather, it's an issue of egregiously bad design. Systems like this are supposed to minimize reliance on personal responsibility to the greatest extent possible, which in this case means implementing vastly clearer notifications. SE has neglected to do so, and that should be changed to create a higher-quality system that minimizes incidents like the OP's.

Players are failing at responding to notifications that are right in their face daily. I have seen people ask for logging into reset the timer, their are people who dont want responsibility at all!! Notifications are supposed to helpful not used as crutch so you can avoid moving your rear on your own accord. With or without Notifications if you fail to take action to prevent the loss of your player house its your fault.

[Solarra]

Players are failing at responding to notifications that are right in their face daily.

Well, I think it's a big stretch to say the housing timer is 'right in your face'. It doesn't appear at all until your house is due to be demolished and when it does start counting down, it's tucked away on a sub-menu. A pop-up notice like the one we have for achievements would be a big improvement in my opinion.

[NanaWiloh]

Well, I think it's a big stretch to say the housing timer is 'right in your face'. It doesn't appear at all until your house is due to be demolished and when it does start counting down, it's tucked away on a sub-menu. A pop-up notice like the one we have for achievements would be a big improvement in my opinion.

Was not talking about the housing timer with that line more so the other notifications that are apparent.

[Prophecy]

Then SE's intent simply isn't good enough. I've avoided chiming in on this thread for awhile, but it's sad to see so many settling for mediocrity under the guise of 'working as intended'. There are multiple, clear issues with the existing system - issues which at can easily inflict mental paranoia on in-game homeowners or, in worst-case scenarios, cost them a house.

The notification system is, without question, poor. It relies primarily upon out-of-game emails, which is an unreliable system, prone to both the emails 'forgetting' to be sent or being caught by people's spam filters. This would be fine if it were augmenting a robust in-game notification system, but it's not - the only in-game system isn't even visible until you're 30 days idle, and from then on it's buried three menus deep in a place nobody would think to look unless they know it exists and are seeking it out.

Couple that with the illogical requirement that you enter a house, rather than sit on the property, to reset the timer, and you've got a bad system. Working as intended, sure - but that doesn't mean it's working well.

To add insult to injury, of course, it's worth remembering that demolition timers weren't even supposed to exist.

All this to say, I offer my sympathies to the OP. They're absolutely right to be upset, and they're absolutely right to be seeking a change. Just because the system functions for most people doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved, particularly in regards to notifications, which is low-hanging fruit to an extent, and much easier to accomplish than, say, solving the demand issues.

Let's not 'make the best of it' and accept a bad system. SE can, and should, do better.


The phrase "SE should not have to tell you [insert item here]" could be used to justify literally any notification shortcoming in FFXIV. They shouldn't have to display combo indicators; they shouldn't have to display quest locations; they shouldn't have to display timers of any kind. They do these things not because they have to, but because it makes the experience better for players - and rightly so. Housing notifications fall under this banner as well. It's not a question of personal responsibility; obviously the OP could have prevented this. Rather, it's an issue of egregiously bad design. Systems like this are supposed to minimize reliance on personal responsibility to the greatest extent possible, which in this case means implementing vastly clearer notifications. SE has neglected to do so, and that should be changed to create a higher-quality system that minimizes incidents like the OP's.

100% Agreed! Could not have said it better myself !-_-!

[Edax]

All this to say, I offer my sympathies to the OP.

100% Agreed! Could not have said it better myself !-_-!

We know you sympathize with yourself. But that will not get your house back, nor will it help you keep your next house.